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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's true that Cushing was more difficult to copy...I wouldn't see a prob with Sean Young

Except that she's still alive....
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joberg wrote:
Well, ILM did a great job at recreating Mof Tarkin and a younger Princess Leia in RO...so a character I wouldn't mind seeing is Sean Young Wink


I am guessing by Sean Young you don't necessarily mean as her character Rachael, but another replicant that bears her youthful likeness? Since she is still alive she could appear as Rachael, but I think the main reason Sean would not be in the film is her reputation. There are also laws protecting an actors likeness, so in all those CGI resurrections, the person or family had to give permission (look up the lawsuit with Crispen Glover with the production of Back to the Future 2). Shawn would insist on being a part of the film I am sure. Unfortunately she has burned way too many bridges in Hollywood, and has a reputation as being very difficult or too unpredictable to deal with, which probably extends into just getting permission to use her likeness. I also seriously doubt they would spend the money for that kind of work on what is low budget by a Disney/Star Wars films standard. What I could see being done though is having other new young actresses that bear a resemblance to her. The precedent is already in the first film with Morgan Paull being chosen for his resemblance to Harrison Ford. The replicants can come from the same stock, but not necessarily be identical.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vader wrote:
joberg wrote:
Well, ILM did a great job at recreating Mof Tarkin and a younger Princess Leia in RO...so a character I wouldn't mind seeing is Sean Young Wink


Weelll... They did bang-up job of re-creating Peter Cushing's looks, but not so much of replicating the character that he gave Tarkin. The fellow wearing the digital mask vas a very poor voice match, and utterly unable to emulate Cushing's extremely precise use of English. I found the experience jarring.

I'd hate it if they did something similar to Rachel...


You think? I think that it was the film's only mis-step. They're still not quite there with the mouth movement, yet.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CGI creations of old characters. Stupid idea. It looks distractingly bad. Passable in fanboy nonsense like that Star Wars spinoff, maybe,
but any plot idea calling for it, at least that I can think of, will be just terrible.

De-mystification of the Replicants. Seeing them being 'born" (at least they're not floating in frigging 'maturation vats' )

Jared f£$%^&* Leto chewing the scenery.

Jared f£$%^&* Leto actually in a Blade Runner sequel. Jesus.

Those Spinner chases and 'dogfights' (they were never anti-grav spaceships but cars that flew on the same principal as jump jets - about as aero-dynamic as bricks)

Raising the stakes to 'epic' proportions (implications for 'the future of mankind')

What looks like the beginnings of some myth-arc nonsense to spin off more films (I'm guessing a human/replicant war might be the next lazy, hackneyed step after 2049)

Those 'prequel' shorts are The Walking Dead-level awful. It was around the time of that Peter Weyland trailer that alarm bells started to ring for me about Prometheus.

The Icelandic composer Jůhann Jůhannsson has been replaced by Hans Zimmer. I loathe Hans Zimmer. Vangelis music was such a huge part of what made BR special. We're going to end up with musical wallpaper.

Everything Andy said about the look of the thing (and to be brutally honest apart from 'Incendies' I think it's a case of 'Emperors New Clothes' with Mr Villeneuve as far as I'm concerned)

The feeling from the trailers that the slow-burn, cerebral nature of the first film is somehow considered a failing. What utter nonsense.

I really don't care about 2049. The reason this film is happening at all is entirely to do with commerce and nothing to do with art. Dumbed down Blade Runner for people who didn't really like or understand Blade Runner. Subsumed into the rest of the Comicon bilge. What a shame.

And finally, talking of people who didn't get the finer points of the original screenplay, here's hard-nosed adman Ridley in the NYT earlier this month, hammering in the final nail.

It's a huge spoiler so you'll have to highlight it to see it.










Deckard is a [expletive] replicant. Harrison canít disagree now, because the whole premise of this new plot is based on the fact that heís a replicant. Iím more amused by this than anything.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm in complete agreement with Mr. Art Deckard.

On the other hand, here's a short article in the UK Telegraph about tweets from the first industry screening on BR 2049:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2017/09/27/blade-runner-2049-first-reactions-critics-call-film-sci-fi-masterpiece/

[img]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/films/2017/09/27/TELEMMGLPICT000141825768_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQfyf2A9a6I9YchsjMeADBa08.jpeg?imwidth=450[/img]

"Blade Runner 2049 first reactions: critics call film a 'sci-fi masterpiece' and 'better than the original' "

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, TM.

Of course it's going to 'look great', so what? Sod those people. Wink

I'd love to be proved wrong about this sequelitis garbage just once but after howling and groaning my way through the irredeemably, comically awful 'ALIEN: Covenant' last week, I've just given up.

Anyway, here's a more lighthearted view of BR sequel anxiety to lighten the mood. From Brit comedian Mitch Benn. Great line about Deck-a-Rep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_T9DqwB3e0B3e0
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And here's an article on BR from the same guy that absolutely nails why Ridley's meddling with that bloody Unicorn is such rot. Mitch saw the film on its initial release, like me, and in this article does a really good job of nutshelling what BR is actually about and how that all goes to shit if Decks a washing machine and why it doesn't make sense.

http://bestforfilm.com/film-blog/deckard-is-not-a-bloody-replicant-blade-runner-1982-a-defence/

I promise I'll say no more on the matter!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Review of BR2049 in the UK Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/sep/29/blade-runner-2049-review-ryan-gosling-harrison-ford-denis-villeneuve

"Its mind-boggling, cortex-wobbling, craniofacial-splintering images are there to trigger awe or even a kind of ecstatic despair at the idea of a post-human future, and what it means to imagine the wreck of our current form of homo sapiens. "

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A note on the sequel and fears about it. I do revere the original film, but I don't worship it. I have always loved this film for its ability to be a seed for inspiration and deep thought. The original films greatness can not be diminished by this. Maybe we may be asked to change our preconceptions of the BR world that we had been envisioning for 35 years, and that can be terrifying depending how much we have invested ourselves into it. I get that too, especially since I worked on my own sequel script. The thing is, that I have loved seeing every movie since 82 that has been even slightly inspired by that film. Every other artists take on the films themes and world. An official version of that same proclamation of love is something I am all for, even if I may have to let go or revise some of my visions. I am just thankful that everyone who worked on this new film took the material seriously, and seem to love the original as much as me. I actually want to see more official takes on this universe by other artists in all genres. Bring it on.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I said I was done but...

I suspect this sequel will completely change the context of the original.

The story of the burned-out cop who is dragged in for one last job and rediscovers his humanity. When we first meet Deckard, he clearly finds the Replicants reprehensible and his job extremely distasteful.
(It didn't make me feel any better about shooting a woman in the back - for those that need narration) DEHUMANISING, you could say. By the end, he has had his life saved by REPs twice and has fallen in 'love' with one. His attitude changes towards them, he not only rediscovers his humanity but recognises theirs.

Roy Batty, comes to Earth raging against the dying of the light, full of fury and desperation about the unfairness of the situation inflicted on him by his human creators. (the Reps predicament is the human condition in microcosm) At the end of the movie he sees Deckard desperately clinging on for dear life and recognises that struggle because he has felt it himself (being newly emotional). He then spares him, saves him.
So he shows EMPATHY and MERCY, two very human qualities. His journey is also complete.
He has become more human than the humans who would have executed him. This is what the film has always been about. Character arcs, journeys, realisations.
We're not so different, you and I
The symmetry between Deckard and Batty.
This stuff is all in the screenplay for a reason. It's not particularly profound or deep, just good old-fashioned storytelling. Last minute insertions of nonsense dream sequences and tinfoil figures cant change that.
If they're both dishwashers, then the whole point of the movie comes crashing down. It's about nothing.

While Deck-a-Rep remains vague, just a detail (or just plain underdeveloped) it can be ignored and any ambiguity is preserved but this new film seems to be all about Ridley screaming through his megaphone that DECKARD IA A REPLICANT! Ridley is not a storyteller. With Blade Runner, it's like he didn't understand his own film.

Then there are the internal logic reasons for Deck-a-Rep making no sense whatsoever but I've already been there in another post.

Rachael is the only Replicant with implanted memories, Nexus 6.1. Special. An experiment, nothing more (and she's already starting to malfunction)
Rachael is new.

What about Deckard's shared history with Bryant? It's made clear he's been out of the game for a while.

What film has everybody else been watching? Anyway, enough.

What became of Deckard and his Replicant girlfriend will, like the origins of the A L I E N derelict, always remain a beautiful, tantalising mystery for me.

How about some new ideas?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had to protect myself, BR is special to me at a critical time in my life in 82 I bonded with it during a serious personal loss. and I do not want to diminish it in any way all it's meaning to me. So I have gone over enough spoilers to be certain, and several reveals are nails in the coffin for me but it comes as no surprise to me though. They are in this review if anyone cares to spoil it.........


https://www.villagevoice.com/2017/09/29/blade-runner-2049-is-beautiful-but-does-it-have-that-old-blade-runner-magic/

."Part of the magic of Blade Runner was what was missing: It was like an earworm, insinuating itself into your brain thanks in part to the fact that it felt strangely incomplete. You wanted to see it again because you needed to see it again; its mysteries began when the end credits rolled."


I can't watch this film to protect my love for the original in full.
I stand strongly that we are not supposed to know the fates of the characters. We are NOT supposed to have solid answers, that NOT knowing is critical to the film and anything that attempts further exposition is unacceptable, most especially so given the film is noir.


I feel quite alone right now as a BR fan as this juggernaut hits.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CessnaDriver wrote:
I've had to protect myself, BR is special to me at a critical time in my life in 82 I bonded with it during a serious personal loss. and I do not want to diminish it in any way all it's meaning to me. So I have gone over enough spoilers to be certain, and several reveals are nails in the coffin for me but it comes as no surprise to me though. They are in this review if anyone cares to spoil it.........


https://www.villagevoice.com/2017/09/29/blade-runner-2049-is-beautiful-but-does-it-have-that-old-blade-runner-magic/

."Part of the magic of Blade Runner was what was missing: It was like an earworm, insinuating itself into your brain thanks in part to the fact that it felt strangely incomplete. You wanted to see it again because you needed to see it again; its mysteries began when the end credits rolled."


I can't watch this film to protect my love for the original in full.
I stand strongly that we are not supposed to know the fates of the characters. We are NOT supposed to have solid answers, that NOT knowing is critical to the film and anything that attempts further exposition is unacceptable, most especially so given the film is noir.


I feel quite alone right now as a BR fan as this juggernaut hits.


That is a profound well laid out thought as to the power of what this film is and what many films are to people. Messing with the stories and answering questions than need not be answered is dangerous territory for the sanctity of the original project. Thank you for sharing.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That review also mentions they are just "replaying entire subplots from its legendary forebear as mysteries to be unearthed. "


Oh well.
It's done and done now.
I'd have preferred a new story in the BR universe that was not replicant centered and left the first film alone, surely something PKD inspired could have been used. But it was not meant to be.

If BR is the "Casablanca" of Sci Fi so to speak......

I'll always have 1982.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"You have to love the question, not the answer" Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deciding how you are going to feel about a film by plucking quotes from a single review, instead of seeing it for yourself, seems like the wrong way to go about it but to each his own.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say that I have been stunned by the almost universal exuberant reviews. There's a review in Forbes that is lukewarm, but all the rest have been over the top.

To tell the truth, I had previously decided not to see the new film. I love the old film too much. But now I think I will see the new film. Whether or not it is a worthy successor, I don't know yet. But at least it will look good.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not plucking of quotes but the facts of what the film contains is being reported. Those are hard and unchangeable.
I have learned that once I see something, you cannot unsee it. I can't just wish the memories away. I refuse to allow BR to become sullied by this betrayal no matter how great the reviews are. Reviews are a tool to be used by reading them, they help me to understand if the content of the film is in line with my tastes. So a great or poor review isn't necessarily always the bottom line to me.
Based on the facts, this film is not compatible with how I appreciate the first film. It is not an acceptable "sequel" and I realize that those very few of us that think this way are standing against a hurricane force wind of reviews and if the hype is true... an Oscar even.

It pains me greatly I would like to go back that world.. but they f***ed with things that should never have been f***ed with. But the crowd will go wild I suppose.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Full spoiler of entire film here for those interested.

https://pastebin.com/czS2udB0
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CessnaDriver wrote:
Full spoiler of entire film here for those interested.

https://pastebin.com/czS2udB0


We're not. But, thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's the source of that spoiler? Thanks but no thanks Wink
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