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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man you've a great collection Cool Les cahiers de la bande dessinée brings a lot of memories
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:36 pm    Post subject: My new wish list. Reply with quote

Fred,
I repeat what joberg said.
Moebius had a way of " putting you there".
A clarity of vision, yet a world of his invention.

He is so missed in this house...

...........Moebius Lives!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, there`s not a lot of those still around, when I think Moebius, I also think about Bilal and the same kind of world/drawings/stories.

I'm sure Fred would agree on that one also Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must admit I'm not a big fan of Bilal...

I can understand why his art is so popular but I never really connected to it.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Bilal is a strange mix between Moebius and Druillet...maybe that's why?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A mix of Moebius and Druillet ? Hmm... Let me disagree...

To me Bilal is a mix of Moebius and... something very academic, too academic (and heavy) to my taste...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Academic in what sense? Storywise I guess?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


This is my "40 days..." and it was a dear gift from a friend.

There is something very clean and clear and special in the way Moebius uses pen and ink without color. And often when color is added it is transparent color and his black linework stays clear and refreshing.

Some of Bilal's work is more opaque color and perhaps that is the "heavy" that Fred is talking about. Plus he uses double and triple line weight some times and this could make it "heavy". I only have a few Bilal books but I love them. Perhaps in a different way than Gir.


I guess it is EXTERMINATOR17 that joberg is refering to. That's the one with the tattoo's that Ridley
handed to me. It was only black and white
(as I recall) and his line work bore more connection to Gir.

But as the French so correctly put it: "viva la difference" !
(sorry for my poor French)(to two bilingual artists)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joberg wrote:
Academic in what sense? Storywise I guess?


No, the way he draws, his characters are very monolithic, and those Yellow / Blue / Red colors on top of that... Very 80's. (but don't get me wrong, I don't say his art sucks, again I can understand why so many people love it)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom Southwell wrote:

This is my "40 days..." and it was a dear gift from a friend.


I also have this one, it's the first french edition of this book... It is what I consider his artistic testament because you can find elements from a lot of his previous masterpieces in that one, ranging from Le Garage Hermétique to The Long Tomorrow, Arzach, even Blueberry...

To me it was the last time he delivered something that stood high above the rest... a swan song.

Tom Southwell wrote:

Some of Bilal's work is more opaque color and perhaps that is the "heavy" that Fred is talking about. Plus he uses double and triple line weight some times and this could make it "heavy".


Voilà ! You perfectly nailed what I wanted to say about the "heavy" side of Bilal's work ! BTW did you see his first film, Bunker Palace Hotel ?

Tom Southwell wrote:

I guess it is EXTERMINATOR17 that joberg is refering to. That's the one with the tattoo's that Ridley
handed to me. It was only black and white
(as I recall) and his line work bore more connection to Gir.


Exterminateur 17 is in color... but I can see the connection between this character and Batty now... Batty's body tattoos idea came from this book, never had noticed this !

Shocked

Another Bilal story heavily influenced by Giraud's La Déviation is Crux Universalis Eternity Road in the Crux Universalis book... and this one is in black & White.

Tom Southwell wrote:

But as the French so correctly put it: "viva la difference" !
(sorry for my poor French)(to two bilingual artists)
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We would rather say "Vive la difference"... "Viva" is spanish...


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Tom; I know what you mean by "heavy", but while Moebius and Bilal style are different, they are the same as well in many ways (for me maybe)...

I like what Moebius was saying (I think he was doing the Political cartoon at L' Actualité in Paris at the time, if my memory serves me well), when he was coloring his sketches using mainly watercolour: "I love what the paint will give me, these sorts of "accidents" while running toward the line of the sketch itself, that natural unknown that is contrary to the order of the main lined or inked drawing and to finally see the result: order and disorder living together as one". Wink

Order and disorder: life in one sentence.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, something else about Moebius...

I have noted years ago strange similarities between Moebius' L'INCAL books and Sherman Labby's Blade Runner storyboard... and I don't know how to interpret / explain them must admit !

Look for example here :
Both scenes are very close. They show corpses about to be dismembered in Moebius's panel and burnt in Labby's image... The book the panel by Moebius is taken from, L'INCAL #1, was released in french bookstores in 1981 after a pre-publication in Metal Hurlant magazine in 1980, so maybe Sir Rid saw this and found the idea interesting enough to build the later deleted BR prologue around it ? (it partly depicted how Batty and the other Nexus escaped their Offworld colony)



OK... now, how do we explain the following connexion just below ? Moebius' panel is this time taken from L'INCAL #4, released in 1985... and both images show giant harvesters...



Weird, isn't it ? (or maybe Moebius heard about this other deleted BR sequence ?)

Tom, just in case you'd have an explanation... I'm all ears...



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skin Job 66,
Fred, it is hard to deny any of the connections you have made here.
However, I (personally) never heard SRS or Sherman Labby discuss
Moebius in connection with these segments, though they very likely happened.
I never heard SRS say "DINER" when it came to the noodle bar
(White Dragon) but he surely did so with Lawrence G Paull,
David L Snyder, and Syd Mead. SRS did lend me copies of
Metal Hurlant to get me to see the beauty of signs and graphics having
no uniform design. A big mix of elements was more to his needs there.

This is the cover of the BILAL book he loaned me, with a page as I remembered
being printed in line only with no color added.
I still have not located the Xerox copy I made to keep.




This book had tiny tattoos on the central character and SRS suggested
a cryptic version for Roy Batty. (Which I drew many versions.)




When I first started on BR I would create finish art at full size from graphics
I saw on Syd Meads illustrations.
When SRS saw this he told me to "stop it ...
and create my own".
I think he felt Syd's graphics too clean, or organized.

He wanted "the Moebius world".

Fred, I wish I could confirm your thoughts, but it seems you have
already made a convincing case on these two sequences.
And Sherman is now gone from our planet.
I have recently found my pictures of Sherman working on BR
but they are slides and I still need to buy that scanner.
I do plan to get them to you.
my best to you,
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent Fred, it feels so good to see the connections between Moebius, Labby and SRS but as far as the big combine is concerned I'm in the same boat as you and Tom. Very similar designs and thoughts were used for sure. Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom Southwell wrote:

Fred, I wish I could confirm your thoughts, but it seems you have
already made a convincing case on these two sequences.
And Sherman is now gone from our planet.
I have recently found my pictures of Sherman working on BR
but they are slides and I still need to buy that scanner.
I do plan to get them to you.
my best to you,
TS


Thank you Tom for all the info and thoughts posted just above ! (and for taking time to find a pic of Sherman in your photographic archives)

Regarding the connections between Moebius' L'INCAL and Labby's BLADE RUNNER, the weird thing is that the INCAL book where the giant harvester appears was published 3 years after BR was released in theaters... but maybe both images are related to the storyboard Moebius did for Jodorowsky's doomed DUNE project (remember the Spice harvesters), or even simpler to DUNE the novel... go figure ?

Anyhow I'll be back soon with more INCAL images, I think I have found something... "connected" to our era in these pages !

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, here it is, that's what I was referring to in my previous post...

Look at this page taken from the first INCAL book (published in 1981)... See, in the second and third panels ? Pretty familiar, hu ? Yep, a proto-smartphone !

An incalPhone should I say !





Did you also notice John Difool's coat in panel 5 ? Something Deckard would have loved to wear ! (and that clown in the background.. One of Sebastian's toys maybe ?)

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow Fred Shocked very good discovery there!...and that coat is perfect.
TFS with us, always a pleasure.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're welcome JB, always a pleasure to share my little discoveries here !



BTW I have always found that the white robot cops in L'INCAL had a THX 1138 robot drones vibe...

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True that; I like the "clone"/generic look of those cop (makes me think of the faces of those in IRobot)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who said I, Robot ? I agree JB but these "I, robots" are so dull...

OK, another thing Moebius related...

It is well known that he took inspirations from photos for a lot of his illustration works, so when I stumbled on that photo of David Bowie last week it immediately made me think of novel cover made for Opta publishing in the 70's...

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