HeroProp Green LEDs seen ON during Film?

[panzerrune]

I am hard pressed too see where the green LEDs are ON during the film. I see the red LEDs come on at certain moments and as we all know sometimes only some of the red LEDs come on while some are off. Where in the film (for those with ultra keen vision) can the green LEDs be seen turned on?

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[The Loyalizer]

I don't think they're ever seen on. It could be one of those things where it was intended that they be on, but they couldn't get it to work, or maybe they did get it to work and Ridley decided he didn't like how it looked on film.
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[andy]

The only spot in the film where I think they might have been on is the scene were Deckard drops the gun while climbing the bookshelf in Sebastian's, and when it hits the floor there is a close-up. The green LED in front seems to be illuminated, and though it may just be from reflective light from the set spot lights, it seems to stay "lit" as it passes into shadow.

I think if it is illuminated electronicly, the batteries were probably almost dead at this point, as the red LED's also seem faint. And if they were powered before through an external pack, they wouldn't be able to use that in this scene. Green LED's if I recall, need more power than red ones.

The overall tint of the scene is also pretty green which is why many people thought it was just a drop of water for a long time. So the LED blends in with the surrounding lighting, that would also make it less noticeable. I also read that the film was darkened to make it more "Noir". Many night scenes in films are filmed in regular lighting with "night effect" filters. Now days they do it digitaly.

Another thing to note about this scene is the famous cut white wires are not seen here, Meaning they could be inside the cylinder cover, or covered up with tape, and therefore also in use to power the LED's.

So this is my theory anyway on why I think the LED is lit in this scene.

Andy

[Mr Webber]

Spot on Andy, originally thought it was the scene where Deckard airs out Zhora, but this is the one, have captured several frames to cover light transition. The thing i cant capture well is that both leds are on until it hits the deck, one goes out, as mine does when i drop it




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[phase pistol]

If that's the hero blaster prop and it's powered internally, where are the batteries located?

Keep in mind that the year is 1982.

[andy]

[Mr Webber]

Andy wrote:

[spinner 44]

According to my POW the green Led are never on in any scene.

In this particular one, which I studied a lot, the light that seems to como from inside the green led is a reflection of the surroding light. The same thin that happed if you light one drop of water laid on a flat surface with a light source coming fronm a side. The water will refract the light making it look as it it was coming from inside the water drop.

The led seems ON when the side of the blaster is lighted, and the off when he gooes in to darkness.

If you know a led there is a small resistance point between two tiny metal plates inside the geen body that causes the led to light. If you look closely, there is no light coming from that particular stop. So again the led is not ON.

Plus the wires are cut, so there is no energy sourde to feed those leds.

Bes regards

[Mr Webber]

I would think that the screen caps i posted, although not HD, clearly
show the left hand LED on constantly, its brightness is constant through the light transition and that the right hand Led goes out a top of shot.
Also one of the red LEDS is on but very faint. There is a power scource there im sure, the people who work on these things are very creative
and regardless of the average battery size of the day, something was rigged up, albeit not very well,
but thats just my opinion.

Is it true that the intention was to place lights inside the grips?
Maybe this has some solution.
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[joberg]

I'll go with Spinner 44 on that one. For the entire movie the green LED are not on and for some reason or another someone decides to have a shot of the blaster resting in muck and water with the green LED on?
Very unlikely, I mean the shot is ''dark'' but there must be at least 3 or more big spotlights lighting that shot! Just a reflection people.

[andy]

[Mr Webber]

Try watching it on a blu ray with zoom function, its really quite obvious.
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[maxwell]

This is how I see it:

I imagine the idea was to have fully working, shinning green lights. Why else would they have the green plastic ends on the prop? For whatever reasons it never really worked and thus the only image we have with any evidence they might have intended for them to work is the image referenced here. It´s plausable that they were on but without enough juice to really make them stand out. If they were as visible as the red side lights during the film, then that would be another matter.

Since they dont appear on in any other scene, and aren´t part of my recollections of the fim and the blaster in particular, I personally discard the fact they might have been on.

[spinner 44]

Andy, I'll double check the scene in the new hi-res formats. I'll try to get you clear frames to support my points.

All the best.

[PlanetLII]

I have a question for you all.........

Why was the decision made to make the green LED's work on subsequent models (Coyle/Sidkit) produced only after the Worldcon version was found?

Am I right in thinking that they didn't work on the prop?
And did the red LED's work anymore?

I am just curious as to why the replica makers decided to make them work, if it still was not obvious that they did in fact light up.

Also, does anyone think it is intentional that the two rear red LED's are brighter than the front two?

For what it is worth, and I am no expert and although I don't have an HD version of the film, I thought that they appreared to be on in the scene where the gun is dropped.
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[The Loyalizer]

I think the decision to make the green LEDs work on the part of the replica makers is that they were intended to be working on the hero prop, and the intent is to reproduce the hero prop with all working components.

Unless the wiring was critically damaged during filming, there's no reason to believe that the LEDs wouldn't work if a fresh battery was installed in the hero. No way to be sure if the green LEDs ever worked or not at this time.

As for the rear LEDs being brighter, i think that's something to do with the way they were wired and drawing power. Something to do with the ones first in sequence getting more power than the others.
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[jfuste]

In my snapshots taken from BluRay edition seems like green led is off for all means.

Here you have it, in PNG format (no quality lost).

http://www.joanfuste.com/mybladerunner/files/00047_5947_Blaster.png

Auto-Leveling in Photoshop, same thing...

Crop here:


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[andy]

The green LEDs themselves were questionable and controversial before the worldcon pictures. The front LED was the only one most people could agree upon, and the rear one I think only one or two people fought for. Karl's pics put a lot of arguments to rest. Before this the only thing we had to work with was the very dark Directors Cut DVD.

Andy

[phase pistol]

Now see, to ME, it looks like front green LED is ON. THe bulb is fully saturated (compare with the rear one which you can barely see; that one is probably off0.


Compare with the red LEDs below. One is on, you can see it. The other is on but barely; you can hardly see it.

I would contend that if those green LEDs were off, you wouldn't see them as clearly.

-k