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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This Cobb sketch that was posted, is undoubtedly how they expected it to work, Note that as they open, the hatch doors would have to stick out of the slots in the side of the little module there (that presumably lowers out of the hull of the Nostromo). This "where do you put the doors" problem also plagued the Eagle launch pads of Moonbase Alpha in Space 1999.



But the actual set just has the scissor lift that goes into the ground, next to a vertical support that it's not attached to. So the way they actually built it, wouldn't have worked.




Here they are taking a dump - er, waiting for the lock to open, so you can admire how closely the set doors resemble the Cobb sketch.



Out on the lock platform.



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unusual angle on the Narcissus garage. On the fixed part there you can see the "EI" logo and where it says "NARCISSUS". Note the inexplicable neon tubing.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brightened up the flyby shot where earlier it was pointed out you can see the forward claw doors.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brett walks into the Forward Landing Claw room.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That set design is just superb. It still amazes me when I see the credits on Alien, and the number of people that worked on it, compared to a movie today...the list is at least five times longer. No CGI back then and just really wonderful craftsmanship. Very Happy

That sketch of the airlock and elevator, is that definitely a Ron Cobb sketch? I thought it was by someone else, though I could be wrong...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I like is now Ridley goes for mood and atmosphere. It's always plausible, but he's not afraid to say, "I need some movement in there. Let's have some falling water, and moving chains". Shocked

Water? "well yeah, maybe they rinse down the landing claw after using it". Hm...

Chains? "eh... they have to haul stuff up. I dunno. Who cares, it looks good. And the swaying chains give the Alien a place to hide until we're ready to show him".

(actually Ridley's official explanation for the water is "condensation", but I like my explanation better )
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here is the strut bay door opened to the left...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Space Jockey wrote:

That sketch of the airlock and elevator, is that definitely a Ron Cobb sketch? I thought it was by someone else, though I could be wrong...


Good catch, the BOOK OF ALIEN credits the sketch to Stuart Rose.

I always think it's Cobb because they used the symbol from Cobb's "Semiotic Standard" (the white/black square with red border) on the hatch.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Phase Pistol, my Book of Alien is in storage and I couldn't access it. This image however is by Ron Cobb...the final built set is very close indeed.



Man I just love Ron Cobb's work, I wish he'd come out with a new book or something with his technical illustrations and everything, that would be SWEET!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep! That's the Cobb. My own copy of COLORVISION is around here somewhere... gotta find it!

You'll note that on the set they use the "Ralston Purina" red-checkerboard symbol instead of the black/white symbol. These things all have specific meanings, I think the white/black must mean "danger! vacuum! probably" or something like that. Shocked

One really cool thing about last year's film SUNSHINE by Danny Boyle, is that similar iconic symbols were used on the set of the Icarus II spacecraft.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is this part of the ship which hangs down; though it's shape and location seem to change depending on the shot and/or model used. It's right around the landing leg area, though.


That's a nice bit of detective work!

Incidentally, I have to admit that in all the years I've been watching Alien, it had never clicked that the structure in the room where Brett is killed was one of the landing legs. Puts a whole new perspective on it for me now.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Space Jockey wrote:
That set design is just superb. It still amazes me when I see the credits on Alien, and the number of people that worked on it, compared to a movie today...the list is at least five times longer. No CGI back then and just really wonderful craftsmanship. Very Happy


Both Alien and Blade Runner have held up remarkably well even after 20 years. Its a testament to Ridley Scott's attention to detail. There's a level of real world detail/chaos that you just can't get out of the computer.
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Yes this is true....Blade runner is "my other" #1 movie...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WOW guys... Ash's Blister is on the port side of the Nostromo 100 meters forward of the port landing leg, ....whoa! I did not know that! all this time I thought it was near the front strut on the hull! all this time it has been on my kit and I did not even know what it was!

I got a letter from the guy who designed her, he was very Helpful! Shocked Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jtparker wrote:
WOW guys... Ash's Blister is on the port side of the Nostromo 100 meters forward of the port landing leg, ....whoa! I did not know that! all this time I thought it was near the front strut on the hull! all this time it has been on my kit and I did not even know what it was!

I got a letter from the guy who designed her, he was very Helpful! Shocked Shocked


WOOOW, JT, great find !
Please tell us more about this guy and how he designed the whole thing... For example, did he provide some ref material ? (and if possible show us how it looks like on the kit !)

i'm all ears...



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SKIN JOB 66 wrote:
jtparker wrote:
WOW guys... Ash's Blister is on the port side of the Nostromo 100 meters forward of the port landing leg, ....whoa! I did not know that! all this time I thought it was near the front strut on the hull! all this time it has been on my kit and I did not even know what it was!

I got a letter from the guy who designed her, he was very Helpful! Shocked Shocked


WOOOW, JT, great find !
Please tell us more about this guy and how he designed the whole thing... For example, did he provide some ref material ? (and if possible show us how it looks like on the kit !)

i'm all ears...



Fred



I am corresponding with Jon Sorenson at the moment, I have his original technical diagram for the Blister, I am just waiting for a confirmation on the blister location. exactly
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EXCELLENT !!!

Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another site with some great pictures.

http://www.martinbowersmodelworld.com/html/alien.html

I really like this shot of the Narcissus.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah Neil, Martin Bower's site is really cool... Lots of cool pics !



Here is the second version of the Nostromo... (I know, I originaly posted this on the RPF but I think it's worth it to have it displayed here too !)
The first version of the ship was yellow (according to many Chris Foss and Ron Cobb design illustrations), the 3rd one made it to the screen...

In this version, you can see the ID numbers on the engines and a few things are missing on the model. (Radar dish and access port on front, trusters under the nose, antennas)

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