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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In mY humble opinion, I am going to make one on the Model to keep it accurate with the movie... not the Novelization. otherwise I will have to put a big single eyeball on my facehugger as well LOL!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree; regardless of whether there is one shuttle on two, neither decision is right or wrong. It's all down to interpretation and whether or not one wants to match the novel or match what is actually built and filmed for the movie.
I'll think about it somemore today and see.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

can you imagine going down to the secondhand store for used boxing gloves and then to 7-11 for a case of beer to duke it out in the front yard to resolve the shuttle situation LOL!!!!! we definately are some fanatics about this Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jtparker wrote:
can you imagine going down to the secondhand store for used boxing gloves and then to 7-11 for a case of beer to duke it out in the front yard to resolve the shuttle situation LOL!!!!! we definately are some fanatics about this Laughing Laughing Laughing


I agree! Fanaticism can grind a blueprinting project to a halt. Nostromo, however realistic she appears to the eye, was designed to invoke a mood and did a damn fine job of it. Too much realism might spoil the dream.

I agree that using the available visual material as primary source, and using other sources -- as needed -- to help solve a quandary. It's Space Jockey's project, therefore his decision.

And then there's always PFA data... (Plucked From the Air...) Very Happy

By the way: you guys are some of the friendliest posters I've encountered, very polite in your interactions. That kind of atmosphere should help this project immensely, without the need for beer-soaked boxing gloves... Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FenGiddel86 wrote:
jtparker wrote:
can you imagine going down to the secondhand store for used boxing gloves and then to 7-11 for a case of beer to duke it out in the front yard to resolve the shuttle situation LOL!!!!! we definately are some fanatics about this Laughing Laughing Laughing


I agree! Fanaticism can grind a blueprinting project to a halt. Nostromo, however realistic she appears to the eye, was designed to invoke a mood and did a damn fine job of it. Too much realism might spoil the dream.

I agree that using the available visual material as primary source, and using other sources -- as needed -- to help solve a quandary. It's Space Jockey's project, therefore his decision.

And then there's always PFA data... (Plucked From the Air...) Very Happy

By the way: you guys are some of the friendliest posters I've encountered, very polite in your interactions. That kind of atmosphere should help this project immensely, without the need for beer-soaked boxing gloves... Laughing


thats why we like it here and consensus of the PFA data..
ya gotta do what ya gotta do!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jtparker wrote:
can you imagine going down to the secondhand store for used boxing gloves and then to 7-11 for a case of beer to duke it out in the front yard to resolve the shuttle situation LOL!!!!! we definately are some fanatics about this Laughing Laughing Laughing


Hey, I have a few beers left... who'll provide the boxing gloves to help Graham solve his (our) little shuttle problem ?



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oooh yeaaahh

cold crisp W-T beers........
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeaaah...





Beeeeeer...





Fresh beer...




(The second "only good thing on that ship !)


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the idea of having two shuttles, even if one was damaged or missing. Possibly one of the guys took it on an excursion and wrecked it.

The main reasons I like two shuttles are...
-Symmetry
-Crew capacity.
-The need to get to a shuttle no matter where you are on the ship. For the same reason there are almost always at least two fire escape routes and multiple exits. To make sure everybody can get to one quickly, and in case any routes are blocked by fire.

There are always multiple life boats on a large ship because of how much quicker the egress is without people waiting in line to get on one boat too.

Just some thoughts. Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, here is what I am going o do .. I will put one bay with the door retracted and the Narcissus, and the other bay closed. Easy enough to cast a second bay
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jtparker wrote:
can you imagine going down to the secondhand store for used boxing gloves and then to 7-11 for a case of beer to duke it out in the front yard to resolve the shuttle situation LOL!!!!! we definately are some fanatics about this Laughing Laughing Laughing


HANG ON.

*re-reads post*

so this beer, what kind is it? Stella Artois? Guinness? or maybe Newcastle Brown? Any of these would be fine. But Stella Artois is great. Wait, this is a 7-11, you can bog off and pick your own. So, are you challenging me to a duel? Maybe we could be like Ridley Scott's first film, The Duellists. No hang on, they use swords, not boxing gloves. We could be like....
...drunken Rocky, maybe, or....

I am going to show the second shuttle. For the blueprints though I'll show the craft, as the blueprints show 'The Nostromo' and not 'The Nostromo as it was supposedly just before its crew kicked the bucket and the ship blew up in space'.
So...maybe it was there and shut down by MUTHUR or something to keep at least some of the crew on board to be Alien Chow. Who knows...

But now we have to give it a name....so I found a few which sounded good...

APOLLON
NEREUS
PHAEDRA
PHYRRUS
EUNOMIA
TORRENS
ALMAYER
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL, it was made as just a general statement about no-one in particular.. I just like that so many people are such fanatics about the original movie LOL!

actually Guinness would be great..one does not even need to eat for a day afterward ..more calories, more filling.

yeah, I guess a name would be great..we should write Jon and see what he would think..at least it would be a legit name from the creators
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone should be fanatics about Alien. It's great! My parents should have seen it coming, I was born in '79, so it must have been an omen.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is: don't sweat the small stuff; SpaceJockey has done a tremendous job on the blueprint (with or without a second shuttle).
The name of the second shuttle could be Zeus?... my 2 cents
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Space Jockey wrote:


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But now we have to give it a name....so I found a few which sounded good...

APOLLON
NEREUS
PHAEDRA
PHYRRUS
EUNOMIA
TORRENS
ALMAYER


Great suggestions!

Going out on a limb here, but following the Roman version of the Narcissus myth, I humbly submit, "Echo" as a suggestion.

"One day when Narcissus was out hunting stags, Echo stealthily followed the handsome youth through the woods, longing to address him but unable to speak first. When Narcissus finally heard footsteps and shouted "Who's there?", Echo answered "Who's there?" And so it went, until finally Echo showed herself and rushed to embrace the lovely youth. He pulled away from the nymph and vainly told her to leave him alone. Narcissus left Echo heartbroken and she spent the rest of her life in lonely glens, pining away for the love she never knew, until only her voice remained."

...except instead of pining away in lonely glens, she expanded throughout the universe along with the rest of the annihilated atoms of Nostromo Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WHOA! great name for the shuttle #2!!!!

I second that!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did anybody suggest "Goldmund" yet? Hesse is one of my Faves. Also the idea of searching to find something, especially yourself.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really love all those shuttle names (and would really be embarassed to choose one) !

To make things even worse, let me add another one : Pandora (for Pandora's box)

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:46 pm    Post subject: LOVE the designing so far! Reply with quote

Great Job, SJ!

It will be really interesting once it is completely completed (with internal level plans and all, if that is the case)..

In regards to the extra shuttle name, what about Salmacis (from the GENESIS song "The Fountain Of Salmacis"):

Hermaphrodite: a flower containing both male and female organs;
a person or animal of both sexes.

The child Hermaphroditus was the son of Hermes and Aphrodite,
the result of a secret love affair. For this reason he was
entrusted to the nymphs of the isolated Mount Ida,
who allowed him to grow up as a wild creature of the woods. After his
encounter with the water-nymph Salmacis, he laid a
curse upon the water. According to fable, all persons who bathed in the
water became hermaphrodites

(in correlation with ALIEN, could also mean a melding of biological and mechanical)

Salmacis also sounds similar to Narcissus, so there would be a somewhat match to the names, as well as the names correlating to what happens in the movie (one meaning the blending of 2 life forms and the other being singular/selfish in that it was in a sense predetermined that there would be only one survivor...)

Also keep in mind Dan O'Bannon's involvement and his first start on DARK STAR. It would fit with his ethos that one would not only not work, but -in keeping with the Salmacis name- was maybe "accidentally" fused to the "garage" and thus couldn't be used.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salmacis... yeah, I like that, it has a nice feel to it.
Nostromo...Narcissus...Salmacis...
Nostromo...Narcissus...Phyrrus...
Nostromo...Narcissus...Nereus...
Hmm...spoilt for choice.

I liked Echo too, but it's short.
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