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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:13 am    Post subject: H.R. Giger- The Biomechanoid foundation of Alien.. Reply with quote

A journey through Giger's Alien, sets, and visions of an alternate reality.


Here is an interesting site I stumbled upon, a Giger DVD that apparently has only been formatted for Central Europe, or only available in Czech Republic..

http://giger-dvd.com/en/trailers/
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are several great art books of Giger's that you can get...



Giger's ALIEN tells the story of his involvement in the film from his persepective. It contains many stills taken on the set and in Giger's workshop.



Giger's NECRONOMICON is of course the art book that pre-dated ALIEN, and which was the genesis of his involvement in the film. O'Bannon showed Ridley the painting Necronom IV from this book, and the rest is history



The creature is also influenced by another painting in the book, Necronom V. The Space Jockey was influenced by that other figure at the top there.



Necronomicon has been reprinted numerous times, and is available in hardcover and paperback from "Morpheus".
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That Big Purple looking prototype of the Alien is my favorite, I had that picture cut out of a Fantastic Films magazine I purchased in a grocery store taped to my bedroom wall as a kid. I will never forget the cool magazines that were so popular back in the late 70's early 80's. Those are great pictures! The crazy thing about the Giger DVD is it looks like they have done his artwork in 3D style and are zooming and panning a Camera through it as if were 3 dimensional paintings. very interesting, and a bit twisted I suppose
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I'm not that captivated by the DVD images... it looks like scans of Giger's paintings have been cut up, mapped onto simple 3D objects. "morphed", and had various things 'done" to them. The effect is like watching paper dolls f*cking. Razz

Giger is pretty twisted all on his own... I prefer the paintings. Those dead babies riddled with sores and pus-filled blisters were always kind of hard to take tho... Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah lol, some of it is pretty sick...
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jtparker wrote:
Yeah lol, some of it is pretty sick...


he probably is not a total "psychotic", but he definitely has no troubles in dealing with inner dark psyche. I got an email from a friend who was telling me he saw him and his wife (girlfriend?) and they were way out there, him in all black and she was wearing black leather and a big upside down cross necklace. One can tell he does have good eye for beauty, she has a face similar to his old paintings from 20 or 30 years ago.
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Giger was Goth before Goth was fashionable.

The all black clothing is just classic Art garb... you get a lot of the all black look in New York as well. It's just a style.

The inverted crucifixes and Baphomet images (the goat god guy), and the explicit profane sexuality... it was all supposed to be provocative. I don't think Giger was into science fiction at all, he was just into the art and being provocative and making his statement about decay and disease and the biological mixing with the mechanical.

His work seems very dream-inspired, and even obsession-inspired, if you read his notes in "Necroomicon" and "Species Design", which is the book of his work he did for that film.
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was younger, Goth was the Bauhaus, Love and Rockets, and on the punk side the DAMNED or T.S.O.L. Very Happy Very Happy
Who would ever imagine he would start an actual trend in that stuff. I think a line of H.R. Giger clothing with the Giger style would sell like crazy. I am kinda thinking this is right, I remember I had a chance in the mid 90's to buy a Giger skateboard and like a dork I passed it up. Probably would be worth some $$$ now ..
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was goth before Goth was fashionable. Smile I seem to pretty much grown out of it though...pretty much. Cool

I love Giger's work too, and I have quite a few of his books. I agree too that his diseased baby pictures are not for me. I tend to mostly like his pure bio-mechanical stuff the best.

I seem to remember him making his own Science Fiction film too. All I remember about it was he had a dog in a suit in it before it was done in Alien 3.

He is probably like any true artist exploring his subconscious to it furthest reaches, and trying to conquer his own fears by engulfing himself in them.

I have a friend who's work is(was) similar and almost on par with Giger. He also has been in contact with Giger himself. I have been trying to get him to join this board for a while now. I will try and post some pics of his work here sometime.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Instead of seeing him as "the first of goths", I would prefer to think of him as the last of the grand masters of the early XXth century art movements ...



His art didn't come out of nowhere, it was mainly influenced by Art Nouveau, Symbolism & Expressionism...

Here are 3 examples of past masters that could have influenced his art...

upper left : Gustav-Adolf Mossa / Symbolism
upper right : Hector Guimard / Art nouveau
down centre : Fritz Lang / Expressionism



(I could also have posted pics of Gaudi, Blossfeldt, maybe even Dali !)

I also post those particular examples because I truly think Giger was influenced by painters, architects... and moviemakers, making him a true genius of our times (Just look at his oeuvre, he's worked in all those fields).

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the master of "way-out-there" is Jerome Bosch, the flemish painter...don't have images but I'm sure Fred knows what I'm talking about.
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the back of my leather jacket that I wear almost everyday, painted by Bill Hand in 2001.



His work is actually a lot better than this when he has a better canvas too, and it is more original now as well.

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, that is seriously f'kn cool.
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very cool jacket indeed!
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweet jacket Andy.

i like this thread, though I'm not a goth
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beal wrote:
Sweet jacket Andy.

i like this thread, though I'm not a goth


We all have a bit of Goth in us, but we don't all explore it. Wink

Of course most of the "goths" I know now aren't all that goth in anything more than fashion.

More art by Bill at...
http://beinart.org/artists/william-b-hand/gallery/paintings/







And...
http://williambhand.blogspot.com/



This is the painting I own from him.


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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some very seriously good paintings there. Giger's a strong influence for me when I do my photo montage stuff, the rest of the time I'm bowing down at the altar of Ridley Scott & Syd Mead.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joberg wrote:
I think the master of "way-out-there" is Jerome Bosch, the flemish painter...don't have images but I'm sure Fred knows what I'm talking about.


SHAME ON ME !!! You're right Joberg, I should have included Jerôme Bosch, it's so obvious Giger took inspiration in the masterpieces of this XVth century master !!!

Embarassed

Fred


A link for those who'd like to know more about him :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieronymus_Bosch




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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought his first name was Hieronymus? I always loved his work too. I guess that makes me a sick puppy.

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

andy wrote:
I always thought his first name was Hieronymus? I always loved his work too. I guess that makes me a sick puppy.

Andy


"Jerôme" is the french translation for the flemish "Hieronymus" (= Jeronymus = Jerôme). In Belgium you have both langages, flemish & french, so both are correct.

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