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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow that is fantastic ! you're definitely on the right track , I'm just amazed you could get that detail,
I don't know if you can overlay a static screen with an animation but that might be worth a try , did you get these from BR or the Aliens trilogy or make them up yourself? Just a point to mention Ridley Scott had a habit of re- using a lot of stock video footage whereever he needed to enhance a scene with technology, he like animated displays , adding ' life' to a seemingly bland items creating 'atmosphere'.
As many have pointed out almost all of the displays used in BR were taken from Aliens.

A coresponding set's needed for Rachel's and some sort of generic set for the main Question Run Video.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can overlay anything on anything really. Imagination and expertise with graphics is the limit.

These are from Blade Runner on the two small VK screens. Do these same two screens appear in Alien?

The two small screens look the same on Rachel's test from what I remember. I just need to figure a way of creating that swirling black blob. I thought it might work with a particle generator but I couldn't get anything close enough.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! Another very good video for sure Kurtyboy Shocked .
Don't remember seeing those in Alien (maybe Fred can chime in Wink ).

I'll start packing the V.K. this week-end and send it next week...so start saving
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joberg wrote:

Don't remember seeing those in Alien (maybe Fred can chime in Wink ).


Sure I can !

Here is what Neil / Gaff87 has posted on page 3 of THE CABINET OF CURIOSITIES :

http://www.propsummit.com/viewtopic.php?t=1104&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40

(scroll down to this the pics)



I think the blob also appears on some Nostromo monitors from time to time... I'll check in my files tonight...

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn, I just realized Gaff's discovery was on one of the ESPER screens, not the VK... Too bad !

Confused

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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OK, it's confirmed, the BLOB SCREEN came from A L I E N...



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes most of the displays were reused some where in the film , did you try to overlay my colour revolving graph on your background? , that might work if you can't greate the blob , from what I can gather they used an ossiloscope to generate the waveform , sorry I don't have one handy!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Fred, I knew you could do it...btw, the Esper sequence is funny that way: on the VK's big screen you have the atmosphere chemical table of the Nostromo. On the right small screen you have the blob and the on the left small one, you have the same images as on the Esper screen Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure there are digital osciloscope generators. There could quite possibly also be a plugin for After Effects to do it.

I'll wait for Alien on Bluray to get a better look.

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Yes most of the displays were reused some where in the film , did you try to overlay my colour revolving graph on your background? , that might work if you can't greate the blob , from what I can gather they used an ossiloscope to generate the waveform , sorry I don't have one handy!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I just figured out how to do the blob!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



See update in first post.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting better and better by the post Cool Keep up the good work!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Incredible
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good idea !



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kurtyboy,

Fantastic work, mate! As for the blob that you created, my only critical comment is the clarity which at present seems a little too crisp and needs more fuzziness/feedback, though I'm sure you're aware.
Anyhow, these screens are magnificent! Can't wait for the final available version to put in my machine!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can add any kind of fuzziness, blurring, noise etc. no problem.

kaiburr wrote:
Kurtyboy,

Fantastic work, mate! As for the blob that you created, my only critical comment is the clarity which at present seems a little too crisp and needs more fuzziness/feedback, though I'm sure you're aware.
Anyhow, these screens are magnificent! Can't wait for the final available version to put in my machine!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think most of the fuzziness comes from the monitor being a bit old, or the connection not being clean. The whole thing looks a bit fuzzy.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The resolution would also be a lot lower. I can do that too.

andy wrote:
I think most of the fuzziness comes from the monitor being a bit old, or the connection not being clean. The whole thing looks a bit fuzzy.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another nitypicky thing to add is that the right mini monitor in particular in the film has a slight vertical distortion kinda like microfiche wherebythe rows appear a little wonky. No doubt this is due to a dodgy feed, but it does help make it more Kafka-esque. That would be cool to nail as well I think.... Hopefully this makes sense!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It also looks like it might be trying to follow the pupil, maybe tracking the eye to keep it centered, and to check for aversion, a sign someone is lying.

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