Question regarding story

[TimeEnough]

That was very well written Vader.

I'm pretty sure Tyrell is the father of lies, but also the only character that fully knows what's going on. The fact that he was destroyed by his own creation can mean Roy had surpassed his intelligence, or, that it was too much power for one person to have. I agree that his speech was to sweet talk Roy and Roy seen through it.

[The Loyalizer]

Leon had to have been memory implanted, otherwise what's with the precious photos?

As for the VK test catching him sooner than Rachel, you have to remember it also measures involuntary physical reactions too, not just empathic reactions. So it's possible that Leon's involuntary reactions tipped Holden off.
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[Art Deckard]

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[TimeEnough]

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[joberg]

I understand your previous point Vader...I didn't explain myself thoroughly concerning the G.I. questions: for example baseball questions and other questions that only somebody having lived his whole life in the U.S. could've answered
And I think that the V.K. test (and I'll put V.K. test + questions) is a way to gauge and mesure( I understand your point of vue as why, after 50 or 60 questions, Deckard continued interviewing Rachael) an individual reactions to make sure we are in the presence of a Replicant or a human.

As you said before there are people in the U.S. that have no knowledge of baseball, likewise a lot of people don't know where Malmo is;
but those are not questions to be asked to a Replicant nor to a human...

Your thoughts about Rachael are most interesting: since she seems to be "stable" Deckard take the decision of leaving with her, knowing full well that she's an android...he cares enough about her to put his own life in jeopardy. He's fulfilling what every human needs: companionship, friendship, love...

[steevy]

I'm not sure Leon was "caught".Holden may have had been suspicious but I think he was only sure when Leon shot at him.I think Leon ,being not too bright,succumbed to the pressure more than anything.

[The Loyalizer]

Yeah I can see the point of view that Leon might just be collecting photos to give himself a past. I think for me that's due to having seen the theatrical cut as a kid, where Deckard's voice over says Rachel's photos were as phony as Leon's.

As far as the memory implants being a viable method of control, and Tyrell's suggestion that she's beginning to suspect, it could mean that she was starting to find holes in the illussionary past she was gifted with.

Maybe she'd done some digging into her past and was starting to find that things didn't add up. What happens when say, Rachel decides to look up an old childhood friend, and finds that the person doesn't exist, or has no memory of what she remembers?

I guess what I'm trying to say is, they aren't really memories, more of a smokescreen designed to sustain an illusion for a few years. And that illusion doesn't hold up if you start poking into the fine details.
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[Vader]

I'm not sure all that many people in the US even know such a place as Malmö even exists, much less place it on a map...

But it doesn't seem to me that Deckard thinks he's taking a calculated risk. Rather, he seems to think she is in more need of protection from her environment than the other way around.

[andy]

I have always wondered if Leon was playing stupid so he didn't have to answer the questions directly, thus confusing the results. I really get that impression that he knows what he is doing.

Andy

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[joberg]

Well, Leon blows his cover when he shots Holden (back to the drawing board...it seems to me that Batty doesn't have much patience with Leon: Batty is the brain, Leon is the brawn).
Maybe Leon was playing dum with Holden...maybe not, but it seems to me that Batty sent him to do the dirty work for him first...at the end Batty has to confront his maker himself using his intelligence.

[Vader]

Weell... Leon's cover has already been blown by the V-K ("Describe in single words only the good things that come into your mind about ... your mother"). That's why Leon shoots holden - to be able to make his escape.

- The frontal assault fails, and they take some losses.
- So, Roy sends Leon to test the waters at Tyrell. This fails spectacularly due to tightened security, and he barely makes it out again.
- So, Roy starts looking for alternate routes, and through Chew, he finds Sebastian.
- So, like a chess player, he sends forward another pawn, Pris, to see if they can infiltrate that way.
- This time, because Roy realises the significance of the chess board, he succeeds.

Question is: what is Zhora doing? Her taking a job as "Salome" must in some way be a part of the plan - some way to get at Tyrell.
Have they found out that Tyrell periodically visits Taffy's? Not terribly likely.
Some other key employee that does? More likely.
I doubt it's a case of them simply needing money to pay the rent - they have other ways to get funds, and needn't resort to something that ... elaborate.
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