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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harrison did some real acting for a change, Robin Wright killed it, Sylvia Hoeks was a revelation, Ryan Gosling brought more to this character than I thought he ever could. So many great supporting actors too. The guy running the "orphanage" (Wood Harris?) made so much out of that character.

I want to see Oscars all around!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:01 pm    Post subject: 2049 Reply with quote



Agreed. Thumbs up! Smart, immersive, intense and impactful.

I saw it on an IMAX screen as well. The sound was incredible, as was every aspect of the film from design to dialog. I would be surprised - shocked - if it does not garner Oscars, at least for effects and cinematography. The Academy still seems to shun scifi.

In the end one of Harrison's best performances, but all were ourstanding. I am holding off seeing it again until I can process its many layers. Villeneuve deserves all praise, as well as Deakins, Fancher and Scott for bringing a valid story to the screen when most sequel/prequels fall way short.

Go see it (again)! - R13
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hirohawa wrote:
Guess I am the outlier weirdo that didn't like new movie.

you're not the only one.

i really miss the beauty of the 1st film... despite it being regarded as 'noir,' the optimism in the form of color, depth of field and the fusion of retro / deco / and futurism in every scene was a great foil to the noir shadows and themes.
The replayability of the 1st film, with regards to the sound and look. Let it play in the background and give your subconscious something to chew on while your work on a creative endeavor.
This new film just had an oppressive, Orwellian look and sound of dispair .. paired with that stupid inception horn.. BWAAAAAHHH, BWAAAAAAHH... c'mon. I get that it is an expressive piece of sound that captures the breath of a dying city.. but not exactly something i want to sit through in an IMAX theater for repeated viewings without earplugs... and sedation.
Don't get me wrong, I desperately want big budget scifi to be sucessful and understand the need to talk up this film but at the same time there are so many wasted opportunities in this film imho that left me utterly frustrated after walking out of the theater.
I still love the props of the original film.. and didn't see anything in this film that even remotely came close to the elegance and timeless beauty of the PKD blaster, the Cibi glass, ennis tiles (and don't bother pointing out the ennis motif wall paper in k's apt- doesn't count) syd meads spinner and city design.. I know the Vegas skyline was Meads.. but with out the acid etched windows with tiny lights effect of the first film... his designs were just lost in the yellow dust... Just the very message board is a testament to the art design and production design of the 1st film. Will anyone even be able to recognize that ridiculous looking hairdryer 'K' was shooting with 30 years from now?

--Meh.. grumpy old man going back under my rock before i get flamed to death.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a fantastic film. So relieved they did it well.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:57 pm    Post subject: SHADES OF THE PAST Reply with quote

A valid point Neo and we all have our opinions. Rightfully so.

It may grow on you with time.

Or not.

I thought the film was beautifully crafted and the score was good (although not so melodic), but it's rather impossible to better Vangelis's masterpiece and the tone it set.

For some entering Ridley's world for the first time with "2049", it may work as a stand-alone.

A friend who grew up well after the original, watched it for the first time last week and had a difficult time with it. It's pacing, the darkness and the story. Considering all that has come after it ("Se7en", "The Matrix", etc.) - all copying its themes, its mood and style, the originality and impact is greatly diffused.

He has yet to see "2049". Time will tell . . - R13
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There villain/antgonist in this film doesn't comes close to Roy Batty's character, performance and all time great death scene.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hype is ridiculous but not totally undeserved. My expectations were obviously very low.

It looks incredible, (but barely like the BR we know) which is a given and it's practically a standalone movie in its own right. (I kept forgetting I was watching a BR sequel - v.strange) We're too saturated with this stuff nowadays for it to have any chance of standing out as brilliantly original but they had one hell of a go. It's a big action-packed, visual spectacle, a blockbuster that tries to have its cake and eat it by playing with kind of pseudo-profundity (mainly by dragging its feet unnecessarily - a two-hour edit would be better) but plotwise, I didn't think there was much there. It's like the filmmakers thought 'How do we make a big, multimillion dollar Imax experience with Harrison Ford and splosions and flying car chases and yet give people the impression that it's all moody and profound n stuff'? The answer was running time. Never mind the quality, feel the width. Like being immersed in a next-generation computer game for a few hours. The story is thin and comes across like fanfic and kind of goes virtually everywhere I guessed it might (and sometimes didn't want it to). There were a few minutes that left me exasperated but, fuck it, it's only a movie.

I came away relieved that it doesn't tarnish the original quite as much as I feared it would and, for me, changes nothing about the original story, especially when it comes to that ONE PARTICULAR THING I've got a major problem with. There's one bit of retconning that I just ignored because it was very silly indeed. I was also a bit sad that the good stuff in 2049 hinted at something that could have been utterly brilliant, not just visually but storywise but it does all the things that these sequels tend to do. Cliches about someone's secret parentage/offspring - I predicted this (to myself) as soon as the sequel was announced. ENOUGH! with that shit. Then there's the inevitable shining a light into (almost) every dark corner of the original for want of new ideas, and the usual fanservice callbacks etc. Plot elements are generic sci-fi concepts to do with vague ideas about cloning, genetic engineering. I always thought the Reps were unique and distinct from that stuff, partly because their internal workings were never made explicit in BR. They were lab-grown humans with genetic tweaks.
If childish ideas like 'canon' matter to you then this is all very final. I'm not precious about Blade Runner to the extent that my life depends on the new film being great. So I'll probably forget about it. If you're a fan of BSG, Westworld or Spike Jonze's 'Her' you won't see any particularly original ideas.
So, pretty good but not great.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm passionate about Blade Runner (both movies now!)...but not obsessed Wink
To think that this movie would be "the same" as the first one is absurd at best!
I actually didn't want to see the same movie shot in 82; besides, it's 2049, not 2019. For sure, this new one is a stand alone movie.

As for new original ideas, I think that a Replicant getting pregnant and giving birth is a pretty good idea in my book.
I liked the L.A. transformed in a brutalist kind of architecture: nearly empty conaps, bare furniture, Hong-Kong type of apt. with people living in corridor, etc.
Grey palette for L.A. and even the farm lands transforming into that red/orange hue of the radio-active zone made for visually striking images!
As for the Deckard's/Rachael's daughter working as a contractor of "memories implants" for Niander is ironic.

There's only one Batty and he cannot be replaced. He had his moment in the Sun and died.
I really felt sorry for K. and his realization that all of those memories were not his. His death scene, on the stairs, with the snow falling around/on him
is very emotional. Getting back to the same question: what's making us human, our humanity and the knowledge of our finite existence.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Overall I found it tedious and unnecessary, however, it did get good reviews on Rotten Tomatoes of which Warner Brothers has a 30% stake..

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disaster at US box office for opening weekend. Not only where the numbers low but attendance fell off precipitously From Friday to Sunday. Not off to a good start.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thoroughly enjoyed it. Beautifully done.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hirohawa wrote:
Disaster at US box office for opening weekend. Not only where the numbers low but attendance fell off precipitously From Friday to Sunday. Not off to a good start.


It did almost exactly what they were expecting in Europe. It hasn't opened yet in Japan, China, or South Korea.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bwood wrote:
Overall I found it tedious and unnecessary, however, it did get good reviews on Rotten Tomatoes of which Warner Brothers has a 30% stake..


Rotten Tomatoes is an aggregator. They don't do their own reviews.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nexus7 wrote:
hirohawa wrote:
Disaster at US box office for opening weekend. Not only where the numbers low but attendance fell off precipitously From Friday to Sunday. Not off to a good start.


It did almost exactly what they were expecting in Europe. It hasn't opened yet in Japan, China, or South Korea.


Overseas take is much smaller slice of the pie than in US. Plus there are three production entities that financed and distributed this making the take even smaller for Alcon that did all the heavy lifting. No silver lining here.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loved it ! fraktastic (BSG fans here ? Wink ) film !

btw, did you see ? The French car manufacturer Peugeot constructed the spinner. Smile

There was a VW beetle too.

Also, this is situated in an alternate universe, as there is an advertising for Pan Am, if I'm not mistaken.

Now, can Deckard still be a replicant ? Lifespan ?

Villeneuve, imho, managed to show something new WITHOUT destroying the original BR.

I liked the "new" brutal and aggressive " la Vangelis" musical theme.

The end was very touching too, with the same musical score (Tears in rain) during K's death, and Ana's hand from the next scene appearing the exact moment (when you hear a slight drum I think) when Roy set the dove free in the original BR.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hirohawa wrote:
Nexus7 wrote:
hirohawa wrote:
Disaster at US box office for opening weekend. Not only where the numbers low but attendance fell off precipitously From Friday to Sunday. Not off to a good start.


It did almost exactly what they were expecting in Europe. It hasn't opened yet in Japan, China, or South Korea.


Overseas take is much smaller slice of the pie than in US. Plus there are three production entities that financed and distributed this making the take even smaller for Alcon that did all the heavy lifting. No silver lining here.


For you, there never is. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So was the implication that Rachael left before she had the child? Did Deckard just give her the horse to give to the child then? Did they live together in Vegas, or did that end up being his hideout afterward?

How did she end up finding a group of outcast replicants who covered for her?

Lots of questions about the missing parts we didnt see.

And here's a fun one. Is Joi more real to K because they are both manufactured and he doesnt see much difference between them?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello again,

felt like i had to revisit propsummit after watching Blade Runner 2049 twice and i am planning a third if i get the chance. Oh yes i am.

Anyways, the bs about the box office : my 2 cents : you cannot judge a masterpiece with a superficial measuring stick like money. This will stand the test of time just like the first one. It's visually breathtaking, masterful acting, excellent story. A great gift to any Blade Runner fan, i NEED to see this in IMAX if i get the chance. Fingers crossed.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nexus7 wrote:
hirohawa wrote:
Nexus7 wrote:
hirohawa wrote:
Disaster at US box office for opening weekend. Not only where the numbers low but attendance fell off precipitously From Friday to Sunday. Not off to a good start.


It did almost exactly what they were expecting in Europe. It hasn't opened yet in Japan, China, or South Korea.


Overseas take is much smaller slice of the pie than in US. Plus there are three production entities that financed and distributed this making the take even smaller for Alcon that did all the heavy lifting. No silver lining here.


For you, there never is. Laughing


Actually there is a silver lining for me. A boring, lackluster movie with a weak villain is not getting rewarded at the Box office.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hirohawa wrote:
Nexus7 wrote:
hirohawa wrote:
Nexus7 wrote:
hirohawa wrote:
Disaster at US box office for opening weekend. Not only where the numbers low but attendance fell off precipitously From Friday to Sunday. Not off to a good start.


It did almost exactly what they were expecting in Europe. It hasn't opened yet in Japan, China, or South Korea.


Overseas take is much smaller slice of the pie than in US. Plus there are three production entities that financed and distributed this making the take even smaller for Alcon that did all the heavy lifting. No silver lining here.


For you, there never is. Laughing


Actually there is a silver lining for me. A boring, lackluster movie with a weak villain is not getting rewarded at the Box office.


Really??? You didn't like the film? We had no idea.
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