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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would appear that he is wearing them on this set as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This isn't related to the Space Station, but I found a site with a nice flash simulation of HAL-9000. And it's available as a free download as a screensaver:

http://www.halproject.com/hal/

Maybe someone could be inspired to do a digital version of a VK machine!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the link TM, that's great... but why didn't you just open another thread devoted to HAL to post this ? It would be nice to have a thread only devoted to our beloved psychotic super-computer !



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that if Stanley was wearing socks on the set, everybody did also at the same time. Confused
B&W pic with him in the middle taking picture: I fail to see the black heel of the Repetto shoe; those are white socks.
You're right Fred: those Repetto shoes were very popular in the '60s (thanks for that Serge Gainsbourg story btw...talk about that 6 degrees of separation).
Mentioned earlier: time to clean the floor from scuff marks left by shoes? How about actors removing and putting shoes all the time? (Felt under the sole? Never heard of that one, but anything is possible with SK Wink ) Note that a lot of the crew are wearing tennis shoes: no scuff with those for sure (rubber/crepe soles).
There was another pic (posted by Karl, months ago)that showed SK, in the Moon trench, wearing the same type of boots as the Astronauts to make sure that no other boot imprints were made in the sand: details people, details
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree about the felting of the shoes - never heard mention of that one either. Because of the possibility of slipping on that slick floor, it is still dubious to me that SK would be wearing socks, especially since no one else was wearing them. On the Moon set, his assistants are not wearing the space boots as well, further negating the footprint argument. God, I feel so nerdy right now ... Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bwood wrote:
God, I feel so nerdy right now ... Laughing


Same here... I think I'm going to re-name this thread "2001 ASO / the socks theory" ! (or "War socks" !)

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"2001 a Sock Odyssey"
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was kind of guessing that it could be felting. Dancing shoes themselves tend to be a hard leather soul, so then can slide easily. Now days many ladies will felt the bottom of their shoes to both provide just enough traction to not slip, and still slide while dancing, especially if the shoes have rubber souls like boots. I am not sure what would have been the actual material they might use back then. Also dress shoes would likely have the leather bottoms, that are much less likely to scuff, except for maybe the heal. Maybe Arthur's shoes were just dirty, so he decided to not take the chance of messing up the floor. It really does look like Stanly is wearing socks in that one picture though. I think I can even see his toe Wink. I honestly think all of it is more believable than Arthur trying to recreate a Corbusier graphic. Not saying it is impossible, just that the chance of it happening by coincidence is pretty high.

Sock it to me,

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, let's move to another area of the station (otherwise I'm afraid we're going to talk about Arthur C's underwear at a certain point) !



I've tried to locate the Check-in area... and it's not that easy !

The elevator stewardess says it's on the "Main level". From what we can see of the model, there's 2, maybe 3 levels (2 with windows, 1 without windows). Is the Main level the one in the middle or the one outside of the wheel ??? (I would say the one outside, because of the arrow on the location map)

Yes, there's a location map behind the Check-in desk... but it doesn't match the Station V model perfectly : It only shows 2 arms on each wheel, instead of 4 on the model... (the construction of the 2nd wheel is also less advanced on that map than on the model)

Anyway, I've tried to locate the check-in area with the help of the red marking / arrow on the location map and speculation on how the passengers of the Orion shuttle would disembark upon arrival (it looks like there was no access doors on the Orion model but every kit ever produced after the release of the film features 2 access doors on both sides, like on a real plane...) and showed where I think it is on the 3rd pic (where I've positioned the station from the POV of the Orion pilots in the 1st pic and the station position on the location map).

Thoughts anyone ?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also realized very recently that the elevator that transports Doctor Floyd to the main level rotates because there's no (or less) gravity in the arms of the station ! (that's where it's located)
I wonder now if it rotates faster when it moves from one area of the station to another ? (we only see an arrival in the film)

The effect on screen is very cool but I think only the door and the camera were moving in that scene, the elevator itself was 100% static...

It's a very subtile effect but it works perfectly on screen !

Cool

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if we compare the speed of rotation to an LP (33 tours as they say in French) the outer rim turns slower than the inner rim (closer to the center of the turn-table)...could it be the same for the Space Station?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting thoughts JB !

Does this means that the elevator should move more slowly as and when it descends to the outer part of the wheel ?

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PS : More photos of the elevator...


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe not slowly, but maybe the gravitational forces would be stronger at the center than at the outer rim? I'm far from being a specialist in gravity and the physics behind an artificial one...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stanley wearing (white) shoes that day? Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit of physics:

The "gravity" (i.e. the apparent centrifugal acceleration) experienced is a function of the square of the tangential velocity and the inverse of the distance to the axis of rotation.
This means that if you keep the tangential velocity constant, the experience of gravity would lessen the further you get from the centre. But as noted in the LP analogy, the tangential velocity at any point in a wheel-shaped system actually increases proportionally to the radius of curvature, and as the relation to velocity is squared, the net effect is the opposite.

Confusing.

However, the relation is a bit easier to understand when expressed in terms of the angular velocity (i.e. the rate of units of angle that the wheel rotates per unit of time): Here, the acceleration is a function of the square of the angular velocity and the distance to the axis of rotation (no inversion this time), meaning that at any given rate of rotation of a wheel shaped system, the acceleration (i.e. the experienced gravity) increases with increased distance from the centre.

Therefore, the people in the elevator will experience a gradual increase in gravity as the elevator "descends" from the hub of the station wheel to the rim.
As a side note (often overlooked in sci-fi renditions), this also means that the "lower" (outer) level of the station will experience a higher gravity than the "upper" level.

Enough physics.

However, this also means that the elevator itself does not need to rotate to provide gravity to its passengers. At embarkation, the occupants may "swim" to their seats, or walk with Velcro boots, in near-freefall, then strap themselves in with the seat belts seen in the images.
As the elevator "descends" the length of the wheel spoke, the gravity increases, and when it reaches the final destination, the occupants may leave it walking normally.
There is no need for an additional "gravity" vector in the radial direction of the elevator -- and besides, it seems to me it would be rather uncomfortable, pressing the passengers outwards into the backs of the seats, with no neck rest.

The circular shape of the elevator might just be to accommodate the circular cross section of the spoke it travels through, and the rotation seen might simply be to align the opening to the exit.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Vader for the physics involved into the possibility of artificial gravity (I need Aspirins now...headache, bad ) Right you are about the elevator, it rotates to accomodate the location of the exit you'd want to use, not for the purpose of gravity(can you say "barf-bag" if they did? Very Happy )
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same as JB, Vad this is an awesome post ! (I understood everything you told us, even if my brain is still spinning a little as I write those lines)

Shocked

Everything makes sense now : The difference of gravity between the center and outer areas of the station, the rotative elevator designed to align itself to any access area (and why its seats are equipped with belts).

Thank you very much !!!



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a lot of tiny details that can be spotted on the station sets. They don't have a lot of screen presence but are very interesting nonetheless...

For example, the magazine displayed on the Check-out desk...
After a quick research (and with the help of a folder found at the Kubrick exhibition in Paris), I can annouce here that it's a PARIS MATCH magazine issue !
PARIS MATCH is a weekly institution here in France, like LIFE in the US. It's still released every week nowadays.

The cover says :

PARIS MATCH
LE 15 FEVRIER 2001 - 0,25 EUROFRANC
LE PREMIER MAGAZINE MAGNETIQUE DU MONDE


PARIS MATCH
FREBRUARY 15th, 2001 - 0,25 EUROFRANC
WORLD'S FIRST MAGNETIC MAGAZINE


It's incredible to see that the film was ahead of it's time about the currency used in Europe since we used Franc instead of Euro in the late 60's France ! (Euro was introduced in Europe in... January 2002 !)

BTW, any idea what a "Magnetic Magazine" could be ? A mag printed on a magnetic tape ? A mag that can be printed anywhere from a magnetic tape or file ??? Something similar to a printable digital magazine I guess...

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Magnetique translates to magnetic. Monde translates to world. I would suggest that the phrase, "LE PREMIER MAGAZINE MAGNETIQUE DU MONDE," could be loosely translated as "the magazine that attracts a worldwide audience." Anyone else? Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As in the English word "premier": "first" as in The Worlds Premier Magnetic Magazine, alternatively The World's Leading Magnetic Magazine.


A magnetic magazine, indeed. Magnetic could be "attracting", but it could also be literal:

From the images, the magazine seems to have covers, or come in a binder of some sort, so it seems natural to surmise that it does have printed content, and that the "magnetic" part is an added functionality.

Beyond that, "magnetic" could be almost anything ... a magazine with magnetic strips to use in a reader to display additional content, sort of like the QR Code tags et al. used in magazines today? Or just that it has magnetic pads to allow it to be attached to metallic surfaces in freefall environments (so "magnetic" would have become an euphemism for "space-distributed")?

On the other hand of course, the covers could also be just a jacket to house a circular magnetic disc, wherein all content might be sort of like a floppy disc without the carrier sleeve.
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