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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:51 am    Post subject: My polished Tomenosuke Pro Retail + weaver knob question Reply with quote

Hi all

Here is my humble attempt at buffing my amber grips and achieving a deep black shine on the receiver and bolt handle of my Tomenosuke Pro Retail - with the help of 000 grit sand paper, steel wool, a black Sharpie, and endless layering and polishing.

Aside from replacing the plastic barrel with a bored-out steel barrel, if another run is ever done (hence I didn't bother polishing the plastic one), I want to swap out the slotted screw on the bolt side with a real Weaver windage/elevation knob. From the instruction sheet, the slotted screw does not appear threaded, and it barely budges when I try to loosen it, so I don't want to turn it too hard and accidentally cause damage. Can someone help guide me through the safe removal of the screw?

Thanks in advance!






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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the Pro KIT it is not a real screw.

It and the front facing binding screw both appear to be simple pressed fitted. Also their holes are too large so the real screws will not fit tightly after you were to drill them out to their size and cannot be threaded to the correct sizes.

Second as you have NOT gone with the ware and tear of a a Worldcon model hay go with the Weaver Knob which is NOT viable anywhere in the film??

Trust me many have tried to find it and it is not there.

Any why here is a picture of a Pro Kit side cover.

PS NICE job by the way.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You literally just drew on the receiver with a sharpie and polished it?!? Think the result is good
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rich, thanks so much for your kind words, insight, and comments!

I realize the Weaver knob never made it into the film, but it has become so iconic a symbol of the Worldcon hero blaster, that it's grown on me and also feels more appropriate a greebly than a massive slotted screw.

As for the replacement of the screw with a real Weaver knob, I figured that after I extract the screw like a stubborn tooth, I can do one of the following three:

1) fill the cavity with solder and then carefully tap it with the correct Weaer knob thread (10-32)

2) fill it with epoxy instead and tap it once it's cured.

3) drill out a larger hole in the cavity and either epoxy or press-fit a threaded insert (after I've shortened it by grinding).



Which method do you recommend?

Buch, thanks for the compliment! I first polished the heck out of the parts and then applied the Sharpie in layers, gently polishing & buffing until I got nice even finish. I first tried it out on a test area on the inside of the receiver and was very pleased with the result. At first I considered a Sharpie because I didn't want to deal with the bluing fumes, but Sharpie fumes are not that much better!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow - a Sharpie. I have been dreading bluing mine because I have no bluing experience whatsoever. I will have to try this.
What, if anything, do you use to protect the finish, (since Sharpie isn't known for it's durability as a metal finish to say the least.)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Bwood. I haven't sealed it yet, so I'm very careful not to touch the finish with my bare hands yet. I was thinking of using Meguiar’s #21 Mirror Glaze Synthetic Sealant 2.0, which I just happen to have lying around. Here's what it looks like:



Since Sharpie markers are alcohol-based (specifically propanol, butanol, and diacetone), make sure that whatever sealant you use is either synthetic or water-based, with no alcohol content, otherwise it will cause the Sharpie to streak.

Any other sealing suggestions are welcome!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. That finish with a sharpie - just wow.

Great work
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

High praise, coming from you, Hirohawa - I blush! Embarassed

There's no way I'm the first person to think of using a Sharpie... It just BEGS to be tried, lol!


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The insert looks good.

I would go with the one I have done before.

I have not done either of yours.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sharpie can be used for a lot of things and that's one thing you can add to the list Wink
Beautiful job on that gun; I dare anyone to tell me it's a pro blueing method!!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unreal... I can't believe you were able to achieve that finish with a Sharpie! Shocked I assume this was the kit, not the assembled model, correct?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corellian,

I own the retail version. I still have a Sidkit Worldcon that I barely got started on 4 years ago, but put aside when my daughter was born. Hence my long hiatus from the forum. I knew that if I bought the Tomenosuke Pro kit, with my luck we'd get pregnant again and the same thing would happen. So I paid a little more for a finished blaster and have been tinkering with it in my spare time (painting, polishing, wiring, etc.)

Now I'll finally swap out the slotted screw for a real Weaver knob and figure out how to get me a steel barrel. If no-one's selling, I'll probably use Sketchup to reverse-engineer the plastic barrel and send it out to a local machine shop. Oh, and I have a cool idea for a stand (no, it won't involve a Sharpie!)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked Wow... your blaster looks very Sharp!
Well done. Looks like it was blued.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you put an extra LED in it?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clutch, yes - I bought 3 mm DIP 2-pin green LEDs and cut off the flanges so they would fit inside the Jeweler's drill. Then I drilled out the LED mounting cavities so I could run wires to the pins. I added a momentary switch inside the frame just forward of the trigger so I could get the laser-ranging effect I was going for. The LEDs draw power directly from the red LED battery holder contacts with a resistor in between.

Today I got around to knocking out the slotted screw and drilling through the D-shaft hole in the right hand side cylinder cover. I decided not to press-fit the brass threaded insert into an undersized hole because I'd read how other people had broken the bridge between the front and rear sections, and I didn't want to take any chances - the larger hole left very little metal on one side of it and thus no room for error. I ended up just using LocTite Heavy Duty 5-Minute setting epoxy, and I used the flat surface behind the slotted screw to register the Weaver Knob while the epoxy set between the insert and the hole. I also rotated the insert so that the Weaver knob would be in the correct Worldcon orientation if I bottomed out the knob on the insert.

I still have to file away the edge of the Mannlicher magazine so it fits around the insert and paint the insert black. More pics soon & thanks fore visiting!





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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So far so good...I like the slotted screw myself, but the Weaver Knob is not looking bad per say Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a side note, has it been revealed that the slotted screw is also from the Weaver scope?
I recently bought a few at a vintage gun show and was a little surprised to realize that.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robotprops wrote:
As a side note, has it been revealed that the slotted screw is also from the Weaver scope?
I recently bought a few at a vintage gun show and was a little surprised to realize that.


Pictures?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry not a match.

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