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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:45 am    Post subject: Holden's thermos Reply with quote

Does anybody have any information about Holden's thermos?

IS it even a thermos or did they use a different kind of container...?

OR any ideas for recreating it, techniques, materials etc.?





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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had no luck finding an exact match. I think they may have used some found parts, but since it was built to have pyrotechnics in it, it had to be modified a bit. It was certainly painted at least. I am still looking to see if I can find the parts, but it may have been 100% custom.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check this out Anders,

http://propsummit.com/viewtopic.php?t=1349&highlight=holdens+thermos
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Webber wrote:
Check this out Anders,

http://propsummit.com/viewtopic.php?t=1349&highlight=holdens+thermos


Why am I not surprised that Joberg already did an AWESOME replica?? And how did I miss that thread...? Getting old here...

If they were in fact thermos, they were some quite rare ones Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Anders...yep, I did a replica of that famous thermos (not accurate as you can see). Gary and I, as well as others along the years, have tried without success to identify it.

1. We thought it was Russian/Chinese made. Nope, I have quite a few friends coming from those countries and they never saw one like that Confused

2. Went to the Thermos Company in the U.K. Nope, not theirs and furthermore, they haven't kept detailed records of their production/designs/drawings along the years. They did tell me though, that it was a "Fatty" used for pic-nic baskets.

As the whisky bottle (which is a found object) I'm pretty sure the thermos can be classified as one too. I'm sure that for the gag, they removed the glass bottle inside to make sure the stuntman wouldn't be injured during the scene.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:32 pm    Post subject: Holden's thermos Reply with quote

Hi all,

(Newbie here...)

Surely this guy might know?! Wink

http://www.acontinuouslean.com/2013/03/20/the-great-american-thermos-hoard/

Must admit it had the look of a military surplus thermos, to me...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Gragsi and TFS this link with us. Interesting of course, but still no BR thermos Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:55 pm    Post subject: TONING IN Reply with quote

A thought for those looking for a starting place in fabricating a similar futuristic Thermos.

While not yet produced in the late 70's/early 80's, these are not a possible source for the actual prop. Nonetheless, I realized recently that some color toner cartridges for larger photocopiers have tubes that are somewhat similar to the body of Holden's Thermos.

At my office, when empty, ours are usually packaged up in the replacement's box and recycled, but if you work in and around a office, perhaps . . .



The wide ribbing of the tube varies with each machine and many are in a spiral that twists into the socket in the machine, but perhaps there are variants that are closer to Holden's and would fill the needs of some inventive fabricator (like joberg).

. . . or you could pull a Ross and design your own and build a slight variation of the one seen in the film.

Like I said, just a thought.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the ideas and input guys

Hmmm... Seems like this is another one of those unsolved mysteries in the BR universe Confused

It would be a fun project to put one together from scratch....

One question, Joberg, how did you get the grooves in the pvc pipe? Or did you use two sizes pipe and put one into the other?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took an ABS tube and added the ribbing with plasti-card or regular Sintra will do also. The trick to make them looking like the thermos is to bevel them on each side. The top comes from a toner cartridge from a photocopy machine.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking for parts for an Immortal Joe face mask and came across this on ebay.....



Listed as a vintage German gas mask container, immediately thought of the thermos.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good one Tim...could pass for another model in the BR World
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember drink mixes and other stuff back in that era that came in plastic jars that had the ribbing on them when you took the label off of them. These remind me of them a lot, and the time period would have been right. It might have been Tang/ovaltine or something else all together, but I remember playing with them as a kid. and pretending they were space age containers. my memories are always questionable though. Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool stuff.... and brilliant clues in the hunt for the mystery thermos Very Happy Very Happy

Thanks a lot for posting Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:48 pm    Post subject: THERMODYNAMICS Reply with quote

Just ran across this on eBay -



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-1924-American-Thermos-Co-Complete-Printed-Cork-Rare-see-Notes-/331395517582?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d28b64c8e

Not a match, but still, somewhere in that same ball park. - R13
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TFS Replicant 13 What kills me on the original is the design of the cap.
Haven't seen it on any of the Thermos brand.
The search continues...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:48 pm    Post subject: TOPLESS THERMOS Reply with quote

I might suggest (after looking at numerous pictures on eBay) that the cap is not there. Being the drinking cup for the Thermos, Holden may have removed it, whether he is using it or not. The Holden Thermos resembles several of the top I have seen in pictures where the two pieces are separated.

Could it be that this point has just been overlooked?



Admittedly, unlike this example, there are no threads apparent on Holden's, but some caps are a friction/snap fit.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joberg wrote:
TFS Replicant 13 What kills me on the original is the design of the cap.
Haven't seen it on any of the Thermos brand.
The search continues...


Joberg, have you ever seen one with the exact number of grooves in the canister?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave, Holden is using a drinking cup in the scene...but I believe it's not the one fitting on that thermos ; it has a small handle and for the design I've seen, it should look like the bottom of the thermos and no handle (btw, we never see that cup fitting on top of that thermos).

Anders, never saw a thermos with the exact amount of groove we see on that prop Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have looked at many of the old metal and plastic thermoses and I noticed that many have a "Skin" for the central part that can often be removed uncovering another layer in between that and the core bottle that actually holds the liquids. I bet many of them are also reinforced with the grooves, just as the bottles I was talking about before. I don't think this is true with all or even most, and the "skin" is often pretty thick and sturdy, but still mostly for the applied decoration. It is worth a closer look at ones we have passed over perhaps. Still, I can't help but just see an oversized water bottle every time I look at it.

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