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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So even Holden's thermos is hard to find? Jeez!

I picked up an old german gas mask container this weekend and thought I had it nailed for you guys when I saw some of the others they had for sale.

Then realized I was looking at what Mr. Webber posted! hahaha.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"hard" dosen't cut it with this one Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:30 pm    Post subject: APPLES & ORANGES Reply with quote

I know that decades ago I learned that they used salt and pepper shakers for some of McCoys medical tools on the original Star Trek. Following that logic Holden's thermos could be anything but a thermos.

Looking at the various "designer" containers and such, at places like IKEA and The Container Store, there are dozens of things that could be repurposed as exotic props.

While it may well be a thermos, I would guess it isn't.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: APPLES & ORANGES Reply with quote

Replicant 13 wrote:
While it may well be a thermos, I would guess it isn't.

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I'm leaning towards this conclusion as well.....
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it's a container of some kind: a screwing cap + thread for a cup of some kind. I think that when the thermos is hit by the shot, you can see that the neck has some threads (not a lot, mind you).

I even thought of those old container that you'd use to develop film in a dark room...no go Crying or Very sad

It might be a heavy plastic or metal container and not necessarily a thermos (you know with that fragile bottle inside ).

The search goes on...and on.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lately I've been looking at cryo canisters.... With the assumption that the threes actually is metal...

How absolutely nothing to support the idea, but the canister could have been picked up along with the lab equipment for Chew's place (?????????)



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:30 pm    Post subject: Holden's Thermos Reply with quote

Not quite there yet, but a little bit closer!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371443152301?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's probably the closest I've ever seen!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TFS guys, but it's still no cigar on those ones Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:17 am    Post subject: CHIMING BACK IN Reply with quote

As props go (as with miniatures), shops often used bits and pieces, or shapes spliced together. Unless someone eventually stumbles upon the one exact piece repurposed here, this could as well be a construct - the base, a part on one "thing", combined with a part of some other. After over 30 years, from items long since having become rare finds.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still of the opinion that the plastic "thermos" they used was some kind of canister to develop films...maybe Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought I would have a go at recreating Holden's Thermos - virtually.

It was interesting to read the problems encountered by this prop in joberg' thread and the comments throughout this thread.

So this is my take on what the thermos looks like.

The proportions are taken off this image below
and at this stage my assembled thermos is only 200mm tall and 80mm wide. Which seems on the small side!

I've gone for the cup stepping in from the outside diameter of the thermos rather than in line.

(I read in joberg's post that the thermos and cup were not from the same product!)

This makes the rim of the cup 70mm in diameter. I could enlarge everything so the cup rim is 80mm in diameter which seems like a better size.

Should the cup have a handle on it? If so what style?

In the shots from the side in that scene the thermos does look chunky next to the Voight Kampff machine.












If I did make it as a physical object it would be good to have the thread for the lid and cup. So maybe the top section of the thermos and the lid could be a 3D print. The cups sometimes just clipped on with a small ridge!. The cup could be a vac form with a handle applied. The bulk of the Thermos could be a turning.







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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good wip Colin...as for the details, each rim is "broken" by a little edge (45 degrees it seems). I know, because when I did mine with straight edges, it didn't look right for some reason.
By looking at other pics, I noticed that, just by adding that little break, it looked closer from the original.

Top of the thermos, last rim before the cup stepping: seems to me that there's a concave lip going from the rim to the stepper.
Apart from that, it looks good.

Photo of the cup has a straight squarish handle that goes flush with its rim.
Hope it helps. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sooo...... ARE you in fact thinking of 3D printing it? Shocked Shocked Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joberg "the last rim before the cup stepping" I originally had as a concave curve. So I might change that back.

Buch at the moment I have no plans to print or make one. If I change my mind I'll let you know.

I may finish off the 3d model. Printing the whole thing could be expensive.
Having said that the moulding and casting of the bottom section would be expensive with the amount of silicone rubber and fast cast.

When I update the virtual model I'll post some more images.

Any thoughts on the size? Should I go for the bigger cup size?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

8th_Passenger wrote:
Buch at the moment I have no plans to print or make one. If I change my mind I'll let you know.


Cool, thanks... great project by the way!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slush casting could lower the price for sure. 3-D would defo too expensive.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a bit more on my virtual Holden's thermos.

I made the chamfers on the edges of the groves a little more pronounced.

Also I made the step from the body to the cup concave as joberg suggested.

I made a very basic handle too.



A selection of handles! Anybody have a preference to what might be a suitable 2019 thermos handle?


I really have no idea what colour it should be.

Here are a few more renders.

I added a better thread to the top of the thermos and inside the lid.










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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding color I would go for something along these lines:

https://www.pantone.com/color-finder?q=%23989480

Really love the design! And still hope to see one of these IRL. Although I would probably prefer one without handle...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great work Colin...I would keep the lid the same color as the thermos itself.
If you look at some of the pics, the cup is of a different color altogether (white most probably) your handle on the cup is spot-on
That's why my theory of the prop being something else than a real thermos is worth considering.
As for the overall color, light grey is the one most probably used. Lighting can be very tricky in terms of colors as everyone knows Wink
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