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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had some kind of important info that I wanted to pass along about the K glass. Stephen Gregory (awesome dude that he is) on the Propsummit FB page was able to get me some high-res screen grabs of the glass and I came to the realization that the facets actually touch much higher than we originally thought. All this time I had been looking at the wrong edge on the facet to the left. There's literally only one frame where the glass isn't in motion and he was able to grab it.





Also, doing a size comparison to the bottle, which has a known height of 220mm, we know the glass the be about 82mm tall, or around 3 1/4 inches.

White43 and myself have sourced another glass that may be the closest, yet. Once we get delivery of one we can posts photos. I'll also be able to do a side-by-side with the Arcadas, which I own.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Incredible what difference a few frames can make!

Those facets not joining at the bottom was what was throwing us all along.

However, with them joining now and being more pointed, we can safely rule out the Arcadas glass. Not only is it slightly incorrect (but however very close) as Nexus7 says, we have tracked down a 1970s glass that is much closer. It maybe the closest we find.

It's ironic that I found that particular glass some months ago and dismissed it as we thought the facets didn't join!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those who aren't members of the Propsummit Facebook page. There are major updates to information on both the K glasses and the Joshi glasses there. It's quicker to send you there than to update the information here. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...and what about people who don't have FB?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



FOUND!!!!

https://larochere-store.com/kube-1.html
https://larochere-store.com/kube.html

But I'm not sure about the size. 5 or 10cl.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 cl

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joberg wrote:
...and what about people who don't have FB?


OK. I assumed everyone here was also there.

Nachtmann Alexandra Tumbler. It's a glass that was produced Bavaria beginning in the 1970's. The glass was also marketed in the US under the name Gorham. The problem is that the Gorham version's facets are not as good as the Nachtmann - the shape is wrong. Here's the Nachtmann...



Nachtmann Alexandra (left) Gorham Alexandra (right)



Nachtmann Alexandra (left) next to a Vista Alegre Arcadas (right)



Screen accurate indentation on bottom




So, here's my personal conclusion after a journey with these glasses that started even before the film was released... Vista Alegre Arcadas=Good.(originally found by white43) Gorham Alexandra=Better (by quite a margin, actually) Nachtmann Alexandra=Best. Is the Nachtmann THE glass? It may be. The height seems to be spot on, going by size comparisons to the bottle, which we know the height of. The bottom indentation seems perfect. The facets/finger cuts have the proper shape and the taper of the glass is subtle like the screen-used glass.(although it frustratingly looks different in different shots in the film). Lastly, 2 guys (and probably many more) have been searching daily for this glass since October and haven't come up with anything remotely better. This is not a high-end crystal glass. They are 24% lead crystal, which is the minimum percentage for a glass to be called "crystal." The Arcadas is actually a higher quality glass. I had heard that the Gorham was just a re-labled Nachtmann. Some, including Replacements, don't even seem to make a distinction between the two, as evidenced by the delivery that I received.(2 out of 8 were the "lesser" glass). Unfortunately, they are different.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blade Walker wrote:


FOUND!!!!

https://larochere-store.com/kube-1.html
https://larochere-store.com/kube.html

But I'm not sure about the size. 5 or 10cl.


UNCONFIRMED AS OF YET.

If correct - credit goes to Mike Arthur on Facebook.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joberg wrote:
...and what about people who don't have FB?


You're missing all the fun Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TFS Nexus...seems that you've found the right ones!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not very glamorous, but here is what I think we're looking at for K's apartment ashtray. I've been trying, unsuccessfully to date, to order a batch of these.

The group's thoughts as to whether this is a match?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where did you find the ashtray?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recognized it as a windproof ashtray and then assumed it was of Hungarian-ish origin. Here is the seller that I've been working with (Bulgarian, as it turned out) - http://sbb-bg.com/en/table-accessory/ashtrays/%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%83%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B9%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%B2-%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA-%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE-detail

Working with is a loose term - I don't expect that anything is likely to work out with this business.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, seems to me that it's a match (and a nice ashtray to boot)...Good one Rick!
And good luck with the "merchant".
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfect, Rick!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New photos + video of Ana Stelline's Memory Maker emerged Very Happy

https://www.moxietool.com (Click 'Projects' for detailed photos)
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nexus7 wrote:
joberg wrote:
...and what about people who don't have FB?


OK. I assumed everyone here was also there.

Nachtmann Alexandra Tumbler. It's a glass that was produced Bavaria beginning in the 1970's. The glass was also marketed in the US under the name Gorham. The problem is that the Gorham version's facets are not as good as the Nachtmann - the shape is wrong. Here's the Nachtmann...



Nachtmann Alexandra (left) Gorham Alexandra (right)



Nachtmann Alexandra (left) next to a Vista Alegre Arcadas (right)



Screen accurate indentation on bottom




So, here's my personal conclusion after a journey with these glasses that started even before the film was released... Vista Alegre Arcadas=Good.(originally found by white43) Gorham Alexandra=Better (by quite a margin, actually) Nachtmann Alexandra=Best. Is the Nachtmann THE glass? It may be. The height seems to be spot on, going by size comparisons to the bottle, which we know the height of. The bottom indentation seems perfect. The facets/finger cuts have the proper shape and the taper of the glass is subtle like the screen-used glass.(although it frustratingly looks different in different shots in the film). Lastly, 2 guys (and probably many more) have been searching daily for this glass since October and haven't come up with anything remotely better. This is not a high-end crystal glass. They are 24% lead crystal, which is the minimum percentage for a glass to be called "crystal." The Arcadas is actually a higher quality glass. I had heard that the Gorham was just a re-labled Nachtmann. Some, including Replacements, don't even seem to make a distinction between the two, as evidenced by the delivery that I received.(2 out of 8 were the "lesser" glass). Unfortunately, they are different.



If the facets look different an alternate shots is it possible that the prop guys used a combination of glasses between the Nachtman am the Gorham ?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anything's possible. They certainly had more than just the two glasses available on set. One thing is for certain, take your Nachtmann, if you have one, and position it like this and it will look identical.(screen grab from Mike Field on FB)





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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the thing with the facets joining too low or too high is tricky.

I ordered, from a German glass antique shop, a "Nachtmann Alexandra 70's tumbler", and it still has the sticker. Apparently Nachtmann themselves made almost identical but slightly different versions of their Alexandra tumblers.

Here are some shots. in some, it fits, in others, no so.

It finally looks like a "Gorham", but made by Nachtmann.










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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's very similar for sure...maybe some kind of compression on the screen.
Happens sometimes to fit a format of HDV... Confused
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