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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More blueprints appeared on Propstore...






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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Fred,

There are ones with a ruler next to the actual drawing this time.

Having said that there was a bit of the drawing in the shot with the ruler yesterday but I didn't notice it.

So today I'll have another go at scaling them.

I would assume that the machine is full size on the copies.



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joberg wrote:
Yes, Tom provided us with the graphics and the size...helped me tremendously with my last V.K. Now, we have to be certain about those lines!
I'll say that, according to Mike Fink, it was around the 43 cm mark. Then again, he wasn't a 100% certain Wink .
I think that Tom's graphics were the closest we've been to that magic number.


Again, sorry for my ignorance here, I've been out of the loop on this prop for some time... were these graphics posted here? Could you point me in the right direction, Joberg? I would love to have them for my personal archive on this prop...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is all getting me confused.

There are three different sets on Propstore's site now.

And those seem to keep changing.

But all helpful additions.


Buch the VK graphics are in the Tom Southwell questions thread.

I'll look later to see if I can find it. It's easily missed.

Also try looking in the VK reference thread.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buch the measurement is on this page.

In Tom's post with the dragon sketch and the head.

http://www.propsummit.com/viewtopic.php?t=3985&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=tom+southwell&start=180

This is the photo he posted earlier in the thread.





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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just rescaled it using the rulers and it comes in at 360mm wide by 120mm tall.

This confirms Buch's prediction that the squares are indeed 1/8".


So I'm non the wiser!




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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget that the prop was built real fast after the first one was scrapped by Ridley! It's very possible that they produced those blue-prints on an available squared sheet of paper and started drawing.

Real scale might have happened later on into the process. Rush job, remember?

Tom scale drawing of the V.K. logo and the top plaque with the Voight-Kampff lettering happened when the V.K. was being built and scale was definitive.

Btw, I wrote Tom yesterday about the new BR 2049 movie and he'll see it at The Academy in L.A. tonight and after, there'll be a discussion panel with the director, Ford, Gosling and all.

I could always ask him about those logos and when he had to produce them for the prop
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it possible Tom's artwork got reduced to fit what had been built!

360mm would be a nice size!

Looking at the reference I can't help feeling it could be that small.



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

8th_Passenger wrote:
Buch the measurement is on this page.

In Tom's post with the dragon sketch and the head.

http://www.propsummit.com/viewtopic.php?t=3985&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=tom+southwell&start=180

This is the photo he posted earlier in the thread.





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Thank you, Colin. I missed this detail. And of course knowing that the logo is 1,5" you can scale the entire width from the photos of the front. Given that they used the exact measurements of the graphics Tom Southwell designed. Duh!

I can't get the idea out of my head that the machine is rather small after seeing the new drawings.... the VK will haunt my dreams forever.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's 36 cm, then the machine will be smaller than a computer keyboard Shocked I think that's impossible!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent this afternoon making a cardboard mock-up based on the new plans.

joberg, I hear what you are saying.

But these plans have surfaced, drawn at this scale and I feel I must explore the possibilities.

I find it odd there are no measurements on it. Does this mean it's drawn at 1:1? The photo copy picture of the machine has been printed out at the same size suggesting it is drawn at 1:1!

So here is a shot of the original being built.


Here is my card mock up (360mm) in a similar shot.


And here is my 430mm mock up from my plans.


What I'm hoping to illustrate here is the 360mm mock up is closer in size to the original than the 430mm. Look at the hands!

Maybe for this to work I have to build a second mock up of the new plans scaled to 430mm rather than using mine.

Here are three more shots of my two mock up's demonstrating the size difference.







What this 360mm machine has going for it is the two LED light-bars match the sizes of the shop bought ones.

The large monitor would be 4" on the diagonal and the two smaller ones just over 2".

The 3 buttons come in at about 12mm square.

It is compact and would easily fit in a briefcase.

On the down side the graphics are smaller than Tom Southwell Stated.




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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colin, I understand where you're getting at and those blueprint have thrown a brick in our evaluation/calculation of that prop.
As for hand measurements we've to be careful about that trick: my hand measurement is (from the crease of my wrist to the tip of my middle finger: 8" 1/5
Those are long hands (and slim fingers). We don't know the size of the hand in that picture (is it "normal" or smaller/bigger?)

Things we know for sure in terms of measurements:
Remington grill: 22 mm
Side buttons: 17 mm
Rod holding the motor piece and the eye: 11 mm
Tom's logo: scaled for the original prop.
Halliburton inside measurement: 44 cm

I'm not calling myself the V.K. specialist, not by a long shot. Still lots of things to learn about that prop (even one of the driving wheel at the top of the arm is still a mystery to me) Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a few more shots.

This one shows a standard servo I have from the early eighties sitting roughly in position.


These next two are just sowing you how big it is next to someone. To give you an idea of size.

I added the arm and head.

Square on!


Slight angle!

Needs some feet.

Looks big enough though!


joberg the only measurements I know for sure are:

1) The Remington head.

2) Tom's 'origianl' graphics size before printing/engraving!

3) The size of a Halliburton case.

I do like this size though. The fact that the graph bars are the right size, the buttons would be 1/2", a standard size and the screen would be 4" on the diagonal. It all feels right to me. It will probably grow a little when I redraw it. Maybe 10-15mm max.

The only other compromise I can see is to go 395mm but I don't know what that buys me.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah if someone would just go to Ridley's office and measure the damn thing Very Happy

Btw Colin, like the set-up and when you gave that arm/eye 1:1 treatment did you arrive at the same size for the Remington part?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah joberg I was waiting for that question!

The answer is pretty much Yes.

I think in my print out the Remington part came out at about 19mm.

Hence a little tweak in overall size to compensate.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

8th_Passenger wrote:






Found a photo that's a pretty good match to Colin's...
and we have a good reference to help us evaluate Deckard's hand size : The blaster grips.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colin: so yes, a little tweak of the eye is needed for the Remington part to fit,
another thing: have you folded the arm and the eye into the trench?

Remember, to do so, the rod has to slide back down until it touches the first "ring" on the rod; its end travel should be the tip of the main arm (there's 2 rings on the rod, one abutted to the servo part and the other serving as guide for the other small side rod sliding on the side of the main arm to prevent the servo and the eye to tip from side to side).

So you'll have to shorten that 1:1 mock-up to see if it's actually fitting into that trench. Another important test that'll determine the overall length of that prop.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the picture comparison Fred.

Joberg, I will take all your points onboard.

I've got nothing to lose making a 360mm version. If it doesn't work out I can start a bigger one. Then we'll all know!

I'll probably go down the route of a more robust mock up like my first one, but there is as much effort in that as making the vac form pattern (buck). so maybe I'll just go for it!!

But I think you have a good point in starting with the head piece and arm.

So time to re draw those plans.

Looking back through my old drawing I do have one drawn at 360mm but in decided not to compare these new plans to it. I want to start afresh.

Maybe more info will start to turn up.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calling Robotprop , calling Robotprop...he's the one who mentioned the V.K. in Ridley's London's office. He was working with one of Ridley's son at the time and the discussion went toward BR and that famous prop.
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