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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:26 pm    Post subject: GAFF'S ORIGAMI FIGURE IN BR2049.... Reply with quote

I think it is Deckard's dog...Some think it is sheep...
What is your opinion ?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suggest you do a Google image search for "origami sheep" and "origami dog," and note the differences. Yes, you'll find a wide variety of styles and configurations, but it's obvious that a sheep is a sheep and a dog is a dog.

It's the same as seeing the famous Japanese origami crane and saying "I think it's a swan." Um, NO - it was established centuries ago that that particular folded configuration is a crane. Period.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a sheep.

It serves as an ambiguous symbol in the movie.

On the one hand it's a direct insult til Gosling in the situation saying he's a sheep (another mindless replicant in the flock).

On the other hand and on a higher symbolic level it's part of an underlying Christian allegory in the movie, where Deckard represents the sheep dog that cares for the flock, and thus also serves as a father figure for Gosling. Hereby the God/Christ symbolism of the original movie is continued.



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still think its Deckard`s dog. I`m coming from the angle that Gaff is a replicant and was/is helping Deckard. Still have to see it again to get the context right.

The origami in 2049 is about Deckard and made for Deckard so to speak just like his other three were. Apart from the nose, the 2049 origami looks just like Deckards dog with its puffy mane chest, tail between legs and hang down ears and is also a bridge for his reveal later in the film.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buch wrote:
It's a sheep.

It serves as an ambiguous symbol in the movie.

On the one hand it's a direct insult til Gosling in the situation saying he's a sheep (another mindless replicant in the flock).

On the other hand and on a higher symbolic level it's part of an underlying Christian allegory in the movie, where Deckard represents the sheep dog that cares for the flock, and thus also serves as a father figure for Gosling. Hereby the God/Christ symbolism of the original movie is continued.




I agree that it's a sheep. Really like your interpretation, here, Buch.

I also thought that it may have been a nod to the original novel, here.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:15 pm    Post subject: Re: GAFF'S ORIGAMI FIGURE IN BR2049.... Reply with quote

preciousphotos wrote:
I think it is Deckard's dog...Some think it is sheep...
What is your opinion ?


What made you think it was Deckards dog @preciousphotos?

Theres got to be more to bringing back one of the most iconic characters from the original for a very brief time just to pull out some feeble reference to the source material or some obscure religious symbiosis. This film was meticulously crafted.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am just glad it wasn't another chicken since he looked like Col. Sanders. Lol

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ladies & gents,

Could the origami sheep be a reference to the book "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep"?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

andy wrote:
I am just glad it wasn't another chicken since he looked like Col. Sanders. Lol

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Lol, that`s what I thought too, very The Col.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:00 am    Post subject: Re: GAFF'S ORIGAMI FIGURE IN BR2049.... Reply with quote

Mr Webber wrote:
Theres got to be more to bringing back one of the most iconic characters from the original for a very brief time just to pull out some feeble reference to the source material or some obscure religious symbiosis. This film was meticulously crafted.


Feeble and obscure, Tim?

I think you should contribute with your own interpretation then, instead of just criticizing mine

Maybe we're supposed to feel unsure whether the origami figure is in fact a sheep or a dog.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theres nothing personal there Anders, to me if the whole Gaff thing was just a nod to PKD then it was feeble and lessens the impact of the original. That`s on the makers.

If I see a dog and not a sheep then the religious angle would seem obscure and not resonate with me yes? I`m not sure how that is criticising you.

Anyway, contributing is what I`m trying to do. As far as BR 2049 is concerned since it was all announced I`ve made three calls here and on therpf. First was JJ Abrams would direct.
Second was Rachel being special and given a reproductive system and the last was the Gaff replicant thing.

Just trying to find out if its two outta three as I didnt come away from 2049 with a clear answer.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Webber wrote:
Theres nothing personal there Anders, to me if the whole Gaff thing was just a nod to PKD then it was feeble and lessens the impact of the original. That`s on the makers.

If I see a dog and not a sheep then the religious angle would seem obscure and not resonate with me yes? I`m not sure how that is criticising you.

Anyway, contributing is what I`m trying to do. As far as BR 2049 is concerned since it was all announced I`ve made three calls here and on therpf. First was JJ Abrams would direct.
Second was Rachel being special and given a reproductive system and the last was the Gaff replicant thing.

Just trying to find out if its two outta three as I didnt come away from 2049 with a clear answer.


That's cool. Sorry. I took it too personal.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem Anders, we are all friends here.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's a sheep, what else is K. if not one respecting orders blindly (almost) Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheep. " Do Android's Dream of Electric Sheep?"

Just say'n Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something I found interesting to note is what Gaff tells K in this scene.
To me his answers come across as clues that strongly hint that he thinks Deckard is a replicant.

"He wasn't long for this world"
Allusions to an incept date?

"Something in his eyes"
Even if just out of focus and in the background?

Even going so far as to use the loaded word 'retired'...

In regards to the origami, other than the obvious connection to DADOES-
when we first see Gaff make the chicken in Bryant's office it can be said to be a provocation.
That sheep could very well be his provocation of K as others here have noted.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wilbur Mercer wrote:
Something I found interesting to note is what Gaff tells K in this scene.
To me his answers come across as clues that strongly hint that he thinks Deckard is a replicant.

"He wasn't long for this world"
Allusions to an incept date?

"Something in his eyes"
Even if just out of focus and in the background?

Even going so far as to use the loaded word 'retired'...

In regards to the origami, other than the obvious connection to DADOES-
when we first see Gaff make the chicken in Bryant's office it can be said to be a provocation.
That sheep could very well be his provocation of K as others here have noted.


For whatever it's worth, I thought it was a sheep. I found Gaff's remarks sort of odd, as well. As you note, "retired" is a loaded word, not something he'd just throw out there. Does he actually think Deckard is dead, or is he covering for him?

I hope the DVD/Blu-Ray release is loaded with commentary tracks, so we can get as many answers to these sorts of questions as possible.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Artificial Owl wrote:


For whatever it's worth, I thought it was a sheep. I found Gaff's remarks sort of odd, as well. As you note, "retired" is a loaded word, not something he'd just throw out there. Does he actually think Deckard is dead, or is he covering for him?

I hope the DVD/Blu-Ray release is loaded with commentary tracks, so we can get as many answers to these sorts of questions as possible.


Well, Deckard has Gaff's spinner. I have to believe that there was some collusion, there.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nexus7 wrote:

Well, Deckard has Gaff's spinner. I have to believe that there was some collusion, there.


Really? That's pretty cool! I'm going to try to catch an IMAX showing of the film this week, I'll remember to keep an eye out for that. It's got identifying marks on it?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Artificial Owl wrote:
Nexus7 wrote:

Well, Deckard has Gaff's spinner. I have to believe that there was some collusion, there.


Really? That's pretty cool! I'm going to try to catch an IMAX showing of the film this week, I'll remember to keep an eye out for that. It's got identifying marks on it?


Yes, Number 44. Look for it right after K busts through the wall.
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