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andy Community Guide
Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 6237 Location: Rochester, NY
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: The 'other' knob |
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Just some observations on the 'other knob' that is above the weaver knob on the world con (sorry I can not post pics right now)..
-It seems to be made of two parts with one nesting inside the other.
-The inside/back part also seems to have some ratchet gear like threads facing the gun.
-The white spot on the outside of the end piece seems to be 'cut' into it like a knotch.
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phase pistol Community Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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The vertical brass area seems to be a notch cut into the metal.
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racprops Community Member
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2450 Location: Phoenix AZ
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:54 am Post subject: |
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For those that care I copied that notch on my models as well.
Rich _________________ I never have enough time to do all I want to do! |
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Once-bitten Banned!
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Has it been figured out what purpose the knotch serve(s)(d) if any? |
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racprops Community Member
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2450 Location: Phoenix AZ
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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None other that to use to tighten it with a small wrench...
If any one makes a knift edged wrench that thin.
Rich _________________ I never have enough time to do all I want to do! |
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SCOFFMAN Community Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2008 Posts: 126 Location: Spokane, WA
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:16 am Post subject: |
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The wrench that comes with a Dremel tool would seem to be about the right size and thickness for tightening a knob like that - though the knob is so close to the barrel of the gun, I doubt you could fit the wrench between the two. My question is though, since the knob is knurled wouldn't that suggest that it would be tightened/adjusted by hand? The ratcheting on the other end almost reminds of it being like a crown on a watch... you pull out the knob slightly, turn it to adjust it... you get the idea...
Of course since this is a prop, who knows where the original knob even came from? Anyone have an idea? Just curious... _________________ Fiery the angles fell, deep thunder rolled around their shores, burning with the fires of Orc. |
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andy Community Guide
Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 6237 Location: Rochester, NY
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Okay from what I can tell about it, is that it does look like it was 'cut' not a mark from a tool in itself, because the material does not misshapen around the notch, but is instead very sharp. Though it could be cut for a tool to be used on it.
Also the color of the notch does not seem to match the other exposed metal parts on it. The notch is very dull yellow while the rest seems shinier. This could be from the fact that the notch may have oxidized to some degree, and either the other exposed parts are just the paint flecking off or are at least newer than the knotch. In any case the rest of the knob looks more silver that the knotch. I feel for some reason that it is more likely used as some kind of guaging demarcation. Just a feeling though and I have no evidence to support it.
I agree that it looks like a crown or winding knob from a watch (but larger). If so the two halves may house a spring, that would also work with the slip gear/ratchet (or whatever is the technical term for it?) allowing the knob to turn one way (and tighten something), but not the other (to loosen it?) without just slipping. Either way it certainly looks like some kind of 'winding' knob. |
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SCOFFMAN Community Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2008 Posts: 126 Location: Spokane, WA
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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Well, this is what I'm thinking... the knob is made of brass, and then was nickel or chrome plated...pretty common for brass parts. Then it was painted black or oxidized along with the rest of the gun parts when the prop was constructed... then when the notch was cut for whatever reason, you see the yellow of brass, but where areas of the black paint/oxidation have worn off you, you see the nickel/chrome layer shining through... _________________ Fiery the angles fell, deep thunder rolled around their shores, burning with the fires of Orc. |
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andy Community Guide
Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 6237 Location: Rochester, NY
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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Damn', that makes a lot of sense, I didn't think of that |
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oldzey Community Member
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:05 am Post subject: |
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Huh huh, you said "knob"...
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amish Community Guide
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:47 am Post subject: |
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I have been thinking about this, and forgive me if I am about to cover something someone already brought up.
The notch is definitely cut there and not intended as a platform to be used with a wrench. With the knurled type end of the other knob, there should be no need for wrenching.
Also, given the circumference of the "knob" the notch seems impractical.
In short, I am guessing it was an attempt to cut that part of the "knob" off, and then they changed their minds. However, I can also seeing that it may have been the only "knob" available and they used it with the preexisting flaw intact. _________________ www.propsummit.com
www.bladerunnerprops.com |
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andy Community Guide
Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 6237 Location: Rochester, NY
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Good thoughts, I do think though that the black paint job was done to keep it consistant with the rest of the gun, and the cut not being painted means that if that is true, it would have been done afterwards. Still just a feeling though. |
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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It could have been accidentally machined / milled / cut into while the gun was being built, assembled or modified.
-Mike |
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andy Community Guide
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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I am pretty positive at this point I have ID'd this "Knob". I am still trying to obtain the item, so information will come after I have one myself, and completely confirmed it.
Andy |
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clutch Community Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Sweet! |
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amish Community Guide
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andy Community Guide
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Alright, here is some info to keep you until I am able to let it all loose. The technical term for the "other knob" part is a "binding post". Here is a site that sells repros that are close...
http://www.oselectronics.com/ose_p86.htm
They still have some differences, but are essentially the same thing.
I have found some "found" vintage items that have the more accurate version, but they are parts off of much larger items that are pretty expensive on their own.
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Mr_Creepy Community Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:58 am Post subject: |
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andy wrote: | ...they are parts off of much larger items that are pretty expensive on their own. |
Of course they are---RSA (Ridley Strikes Again)! _________________ - Brian (formerly ToothTech)
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Noeland Community Guide
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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It's funny, after studying the worldcon pics, that was one of those things where I asked myself "Why does the worn paint show us silver, and the notch show us brass. That struck me as so odd.
But clearly, if you read the specs, it all makes sense.
ANOTHER great find goes to Andy!!
Finder of knobs and guns and parts and pieces!
Well done. _________________ I don't have enough blasters! |
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andy Community Guide
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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If I can find the "rod" I get the hat trick
Andy |
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