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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:22 pm    Post subject: Real Steyr .222 Rifle for Sale Reply with quote

I'm not posting this in the Prop Shop (4 sale stuff) since I am not selling it, etc., and this is more to inform Propsummit members. On Gunbroker Dot Com there is a Steyr SL for sale, it is mismarked in the ad as an "LS" but I believe actually an SL in the correct caliber (.222 Rem). The price is currently VERY LOW. Thought maybe some member might want to grab it for an ultimate greeblie to add to a blaster.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=145795127

Since it is a real, working and complete rifle all federal, state and local laws apply.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the tip Eltee.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With 5+ days left, it's already jumped up to $555. By the time it's finished, it will probably cost more than a Coyle blaster, so what's the point here? Aren't there enough reasonably accurate blasters out there already?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people love the real thing my friend. All my blasters are about 50% charter arm parts. Would love this also but I could never afford it. Plus a gun collector could always display a real 44 bulldog and this rifle with his blaster. That would be a nice display.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

These guns usually go for more than $2,000, but this is also the later version with the 5 digit serial #. You can read Phil and Rich's websites to understand the difference.

Still the point is that many people still want a "replica" made from original parts and materials, rather than just casts from those parts. And there really aren't too many accurate versions of the gun. Not that satisfy me anyway. Until the Tomenosuke or a new more accurate Hartford is made in mass quantities ala the Offworld, I will still be waiting. Even then I would still want one made from original gun parts I am sure.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, so I understand then, that you want to make a BR blaster out of real gun parts? Even Coyle, to the best of my knowledge, hasn't attempted this.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't there someone in Japan asking about getting a 1st gen mold off one of these for a new blaster replica they are working on? They might be interested in this, though the price already seems high...for what they were offering in exchange.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A NUMBER of people have built blasters using a real C/A or a real Steyr and some have used both. Rich used a real CA in the engineering of his blasters, and he borrowed a Steyr for the upper. Some have even created blasters that actually fire, like the hero prop.

Most of the die hard Bladerunner fans know who some of these folks are who used one, the other, or both of the real guns in their blasters. I am hoping that since the Steyr on auction is incorrectly listed and is of an unusual (relatively speaking) caliber, it will go for less than normal and that some BR fan will snag it.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSn5Zg7HtEU
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It Takes a very good machinest and good sharp tools to cut away all the metal to convert one of these to fit on top of a Bulldog.

And sadly it is a newer model with all the fine detail slightly off or wrong, see my article at: http://www.racprops.com/issue5/brblaster_take2/ for full details.

Of interest to the more Die Hard, a real Bulldog 44 WILL fit inplace of my cast model.

All you need then is a custom 4.5 inch (apox.) barrel made and carefully drill and tap for the mounting screws.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

racprops wrote:
It Takes a very good machinest and good sharp tools to cut away all the metal to convert one of these to fit on top of a Bulldog.

And sadly it is a newer model with all the fine detail slightly off or wrong, see my article at: http://www.racprops.com/issue5/brblaster_take2/ for full details.

Of interest to the more Die Hard, a real Bulldog 44 WILL fit inplace of my cast model.

All you need then is a custom 4.5 inch (apox.) barrel made and carefully drill and tap for the mounting screws.

Rich


I agree with Rich's comments about the work involved in machining the Steyr.

Even the resourceful Adam Savage has had his work cut out with the blaster he is building out of real parts.

This is what he wrote on his experiences over on RPF:

"So over the last couple years I collected the correct Steyr, and the correct Bulldog .38, and about a week ago I started (finally) on my BR blaster.

is the properly machined Steyr rear part. A real Steyr plastic magazine holder, Sidkit worldcon grips, Coyle Trigger protector. I machined the barrel from steel myself, and also the Bulldog grip surround, so that it would be accurate aluminum.
That's a sidkit detail piece on the side, and I'm using a Coyle detail piece on the other side.
In general, the Coyle metal pieces are better metal, harder, etc, but the Sidkit pieces (I've built several) are better castings. Those two side detail pieces are the ONLY non original or Savage machined parts that will remain on the gun when it's finished.

Gottal tell you, the weight of the thing is so nice. Also knowing that i can put it in it's holster without scratching it. That's nice too.

My hat goes off to Phil S and Mr. Coyle for all their original problem solving though. The amount of problem solving has been very very difficult. And I had the benefit of the worldcon pix. they did not. I can't imagine cutting into parts from a 1500 dollar rifle and hoping you're making the right decision.

I've been doing all the machining and gunsmithing on a MicroMark bought Microlux Lathe and Mill, both with DRO, and I've been using carbide (expensive) milling bits exclusively. broken 3 already. Gun steel is no picnic to machine. The little splinters that come off are the worst. Stick in your clothes.

Anyway, I'll keep some progress pix coming, though I'm off to Alaska for 2 weeks. Please don't ask about parts, I have no interest in doing a run of these whatsoever.

I also don't have the time (sorry) to carefully document the entire process, it's just too labor intensive right now."


There's a picture of his build here:
http://twitpic.com/17821
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, there are a lot of screws on that thing that could be the one before it was replaced with the Weaver scope knob.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for sharing Staar...it's true that this gun is a hell of a job to machine and build...my sincere admiration to Rich or any other person ready to tackle that baby in any kind of metals.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a few people that have made one with a real Steyr, including several members of this board.

Most famously Craig Kovach made several including one now owned by Phil Steinschneider. He loaned Rich and Phil the accurate Steyr receiver to mold for the C&S Blasters. So all of us who own one of Rich's guns own a cast from one of Craig's originals. Rich molded off his uncutdown Steyr and used those casts to make the masters from. It also allowed Craig to use casts to figure out how he was going to cut the originals down before he ever had to put a blade to them by using Rich's casts.

I have a feeling this is what the original poster is also looking for. An uncut cast off of a real Steyr to use as a basis to build a new gun and get measurements from. Remember a real Steyr would be illegal in Japan. An uncut cast would allow someone to start from scratch and be able to think fresh on how this gun could be put together better, and made into a new more accurate version.

This is something I have to support completely. especially if it can be made affordable to all of us Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Andy, I am glad you read my articles...

Point is, I did every thing a dozen of times fitting the parts together.

Now one major need and major thing was to not change any thing from the oringinal prop, which means no extra screws, etc.

So if it was not on the stunt casting I could not add anything to my model.

The only extra screw was the small one on back and above the safety on the back of the Styer Receiver and it did not line up with the Bulldog frame, so the (the real prop makers) had done something else, now if you even get a copy of the early stunt model, the side arm that WAS really use was covered up with clay and I had no hint of it so on my early models I add a slot and bar locking system to hold the rear of the Styer onto the bulldog.

When I saw the real Blaster at Worldcon '06 I was very supprised to learn of the one side bar slipping down along the Bulldog's frame and the use of the one serew that held the back of the side cover also held the back of the Styer as well.

So yes another system can be used, but it will not be accurate.

If accurate there is no better way. Only better metal.

So do you want accurate or a TOY, where anything goes?

Or by the way the people we are talking about already did a model it was the 90% scale all plastic model done earlier.

It was the: M2019 Blast Pistol by Elfin Knights Project.

And I received a Thank you Letter and a copy of the Model as a thank you for my information on my web site and I beleive the use of one of my WorldCon models as a guild.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the guy(s) who are have posted they are looking for one of these are connected to Elfin Knights Project guy(s). I think more importantly they do not want any connection to your work to avoid controversy. I loved the EKP version, and wish I had the opportunity to pick one up. I have their Dokuhon Blaster 01 magazine.

Ryosuke Takagi looks like the biggest fan of the gun of all time, and has made more versions of the gun than anyone except maybe Rick Ross, including the Hobby Japan version that may have been the first truly accurate version to use a charter arms bulldog as the inner gun.

It looks like the Steyr sold for well under half what these usually go for too.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps.

But that did not seem to worry them when they did the last one.

They went so far as to send me a thank you email and then sent me a copy of the model as a thank you.

This time perhap it might be better to work directly with me.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you are saying you are willing to work closely with your competition without large return compensation (or only being paid for the parts and not a part of their action)?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No let’s not go that far, I would like a piece of the action too.

I will say I am aware of the real world and such deals.

I would like a real world deal.

I think that from what has been done before, by both model companies, that even with my help they will put their own marks on them and do things their way, leaving me still King of the Hill when it comes to total accurately.

Even in a world of Smart Cars and Hyundai’s, Royal Royce still sells very well.

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