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racprops
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And again I say any thing photographed that DARK with that much shadow will NOT show its true colors.
IT makes no sense to strip the gun AFTER the film.
IT makes total sense to strip it as it was being built.
Just look at the first 6 shows of Star Trek: the all black phaser with just a white handle showed up as a nothing black blob....
It looked so bad that Gene hired Wan Chang to redress it and to make it interesting, which he did by making it dark gray handles with dark gray Phaser One and a light blue main body for the close ups and black handle with a black phaser one body and near sky blue main body and it looked much better on TV/film.
The same reasoning is at work here, if it was left all blued it too would only shown as a black blob.
A two tone look shows up much better on film.
I still say it was stripped before any filming was done.
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| stonedog7563 wrote: | Couple more.
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Very cool pictures. |
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| stonedog7563 wrote: | Couple more.
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Excellent pictures!
But again there's a problem with this pics. Light parts of the image are correctly exposed (background), dark and medium are under exposed and too dark. If you had to make a picture (before digital days) of a dark object and a light background you either had the light part overexposed (pure white) or correctly exposed (light grey in print), same goes for the dark colors, if you have dark grey and black object you'll need a long exposure time so light background would be overexposed (absolute white).
This is why black looks so absolute and thick in this photos, no grey tones on the dark areas, either absolute dark or white in the handle; steyr ammo box and heck in the frist photo even the receiver looks gloss black. But if you have a look at the grips they are way too dark, and the shadowed parts look like soaked in bitumen of Judea.
Same goes for the photo with the gun pointing at you. Black parts look like petrol, you can hardly see any shape.
Even the alumium buttplate seems too darl to be aluminium, just compare it to the Worldcon photos. |
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racprops
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Even with these very dark pictures the sliver/gray can be seen is a few hints of light.
Rich
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I think it's fascinating that people continue to debate the particulars of this gun, years after we found out what it actually looks like.   |
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I know..I think they just want to believe that the Pro is right..other wise they have a lot of work to do.
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| I think the first Pro run was a much more satisfying product. I really don't understand what they were thinking with the matte receiver of the current release. |
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The whole thing reminds me of the debates about the original Enterprise and the grid lines on the saucer, something that was difficult to see on screen.
Screen appearances and perceptions vs the actual prop to the eye in real life and what the owner wishes to possess.
I am convinced the ultimate answer is...
Keep collecting blasters!
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| Dascoyne wrote: | | I think the first Pro run was a much more satisfying product. I really don't understand what they were thinking with the matte receiver of the current release. |
Cost effectiveness. |
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| stonedog7563 wrote: | | Dascoyne wrote: | | I think the first Pro run was a much more satisfying product. I really don't understand what they were thinking with the matte receiver of the current release. |
Cost effectiveness. |
that's the only explanation ... which saddens me. |
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I made adjustments to the exposure and contrast of the photo as well as the color balance. Mr. Coyle's blaster is definitely the most accurate, IMO but I'm glad that there are all of these different takes on it. My wallet, not so much. 
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No pictures ...?
Says Content protected by owner.
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| I tend to side with Richard. If you study the photos of the real hero prop, everything that isn't painted black appears to be bare metal. I don't really care how or why this came to be, that's just what it looks like. |
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| racprops wrote: | No pictures ...?
Says Content protected by owner. |
Fixed. Apologies. |
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Thanks that is as about as far as I could get it too.
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The funny thing is A) for a long time I too believed it was black; look at my old plastic models.
And B) I kind of wish it was it was black that would mean less work on my side, all the polishing, chemically treatment (Nasty fumes and I have to ware protective rubber gloves) the polishing that finish down to match the stainless steel barrels I have on hand.
Yes I could just paint everything black and be done with it.
BUT I KNOW that would be wrong and I try as hard as I can to 100% accurate.
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Looking at the world through BR glasses, it only make sense that the gun was one kind of weapon before and then another later on.
Lemme explain  everything is recycled/re-used, tacked on, grafted on, etc. Let's just imagine the BR Section over the years:
First the Bulldog without the Steyr...can you imagine such weapon?
And then the second gen of that gun, with the Steyr: more fire power against the Reps, that's all folks.
That's why that grafted unfinished Steyr on top of the Bulldog is clearly within the designs/looks of BR.  |
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And looking at it in a real world it is worthless...
The Steyr has no way to function, the Bulldog is one of the most unsafe and fast worn out weapons made. No one in their right mind would carry it as a service weapon.
The joke is: with a good weapon you test fire 500 rounds thought it and then with no misfires carry it...do that with a Bulldog and you have worn it out.
It was/is a movie gun, made to LOOK impressive and strange with NO THOUGHT to if it might ever really be made.
Details stuck on it also make no sense, and one of the last things I would want in a fire fight is a LIGHTED GUN...here I am shoot me...
That is my real world view.
Sorry I still love the prop and film, even with the fact our hero only kills two girls one in the back and has to be saved from Leon by by Rachel and gets a lucky shot to stop Pris and then is so scared of Batty he loses his weapon and the has to be saved BY Batty.
Deckard HAS to be human because Batty is more human.
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Sorry I still love the prop and film, even with the fact our hero only kills two girls one in the back and has to be saved from Leon by by Rachel and gets a lucky shot to stop Pris and then is so scared of Batty he loses his weapon and the has to be saved BY Batty.
Deckard HAS to be human because Batty is more human.
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Thats the single best summary of the whole 'is he/isnt he' argument about Deckard I've ever seen!
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| I wasn't making any refs to the real world Rich, only the BR World |
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