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hirohawa
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't the slotted screw from the Steyr Rifle?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like the screws! They seem to have the same or nearly the same depth as the Weaver knob, so at least in that respect, they would be easy to swap out without one sitting prouder than the other.

Rich - do you have a photo of the screw head from the side confirming that it's shallower, like the Tomenosuke slotted screw?

Here's the final step in my rework project - filing a cut in the edge of the magazine cover, to wrap around the brass thread (which I still have to paint):







I have to admit I like it MUCH better than the screw. It works visually better with the front-facing thumbscrew, and makes more functional sense (one for windage, one for elevation, or one for range, the other for power setting, etc.) Ergonomically, thinking like a Rep-Detect, I see no value to a slotted screw in the field without any tools.

Not much else to add. Once I get around to building my blaster display base/diorama, I'll post a new thread.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once again, I'm requesting an update on how the Sharpie finish holds up under handling, etc. If the finish isn't "durable within reason," then I will understandably have to pass on the Sharpie idea. Specifically, does it easily rub off or scratch? How does it hold up to moisture from sweaty hands and the like?
Does it oxidize or fade and consequently have to be retouched?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bwood,

I posted earlier what I plan on doing to protect the finish. I think ANY finish - including blueing - should be protected by a compatible sealant.

So far my polished multi-layered Sharpie treatment is holding up fine, while at the same time I avoid directly touching the polished surfaces to avoid permanent fingerprints from the acidic content of my sebum (human skin oil).
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a test piece I can try it on although with all due respect, if I couldn't touch the blaster anywhere but the grip, I wouldn't want it..
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never said I wouldn't touch the blaster anywhere but the grip, however by the same token, I have no compulsion to fondle the receiver, lol. If this was a polished nickel-plated Colt 1911 with full slide cocking action, we'd be in agreement, but it's not, so with all due respect returned, we are not. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

post edited.

Last edited by Bwood on Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:25 pm; edited 4 times in total
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

racprops wrote:
Sorry not a match.

Rich


With respect, Rich, I realize no one has done more research on this prop than you, however you first held the hero when it had the Weaver knob. Have you ever put your hands on the original screw? Is there a definite origin of the screw?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well there is the fact that I have a copy of a original stunt prop which had a slotted screw and that after much research on the special 4 disk BluRay set there is no frame of the gun showing anything like the weaver knob.

EVERY frame of that side of the gun shows ONLY the slotted screw.

So it seems that the weaver knob screw was added post production.

I will try to take a pictures of the head of the screw on the stunt prop casting.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rich - for the record, I believe you. I just personally prefer the WorldCon build, and I stated my reasons above.

To all who adore their screen-accurate slotted screw and would never exchange it, good on y'all! Cool

Meanwhile, as a token of solidarity with the WorldCon blaster, I have a spare authentic Weaver knob to give away if anyone wants it - first PM gets it (and I'll throw in a threaded brass insert).
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have a lucky winner!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All good info as to the size of the screw. I've always been an advocate for it over the knob for its screen accuracy.
That was not in question.
My question remains, "Has a definite origin of the screw been identified?"
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The slotted screw has yet to be identified. Since it was not still with the hero model when it showed up at Worldcon, we have no good close up pictures of it. The best we have are some measurements and guesses based on the stunt casts and conjecture of its function. I have searched for parts I knew they probably would have had on hand including scope mount screws, and other Steyr screws, but nothing yet that matches 100%.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK It is a little harder to see in the pictures than with your eye BUT I think you can see where the screw head ends and the clay filler starts and or the main body.

Note to my eyes the screw head is only a little deeper than the slot and it had an odd shape.

Rich




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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good pics Rich.
Andy, thanks for the info.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming....
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mind at all a friendly discussion about the slotted screw! Very Happy

I work with pan head screws all day long, so it was the last thing I wanted to see prominently on a blaster from 2019 (and seriously, who still uses slotted screws in 2014?) It was bad enough the prop is violated by so many socket cap screws, but at least those are small and mostly flush.

I would be extremely gratified if a major discovery in this matter happened in my thread!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, many slotted screws were put into many things...and most of the time for stuff you need easy access to and if the slot was big enough you could use a coin to unscrew it Wink
As for retro-fitting stuff and buildings, cars, etc in the BR World, I think that the slotted screw fits right in (besides, it's screen accurate )
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my world, it's all about Torx. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been told by real gun people that slotted screws are used and should only be used so in a worst case even your knife can be used to open a malfunctioning weapon to service or repair it.

They never have Philips screw drivers or Allen tools on hand in the field.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather than re-editing my original post, I decided to place a new one here.

Upon applying the Sharpie finish, I noticed it appears to be generally black but with a bronze-like caste to it.(see photos) This was done using a Sharpie brand marker. The result isn't really acceptable to me. Does anyone have better/different results using another brand of marker? Also, as could be expected I suppose, the Sharpie finish wasn't especially durable when handled. I will therefore be searching for other alternatives for finishing the blaster. Suggestions welcome..
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